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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I've joined the Fb group and put my 2p worth in on the Unite Union page - hopefully many others will do the same so Unite realise just how stupid this action is.
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Wow those wall postings are vitriolic 
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the more people who complain and make a loud fuss the happier the union will be, I guess, as it puts extra pressure on the airline.
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Not saying I agree with the strike but the point of strike action is to put pressure on the employer. What better way than to pressurise them at one of the busiest times of the year. Yes they will inconvenience and p-off many people but if it gets a result then the union will figure that it's a job well done. How many of you will stop flying BA (if it exists) once all this is over? Not many I'll be bound.
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halfhand, Busy .. but recently c-crew strikes at BA are always aimed at the 'Holiday' customer ie the occasional flyer to put public pressure on "management''. However they are also the 'slack' periods in BA's staple business .. the Business Traveller, so easier to ride-out financially than say September or weeks 2-3 in January, especially with well-rehearsed contingency plans ( managment crew etc.). This time UNITE seem to have it totally wrong as the wrath so far as has been aimed at them ...
No question there is always a big PR-cost.
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| halfhand wrote: |
| Not saying I agree with the strike but the point of strike action is to put pressure on the employer. What better way than to pressurise them at one of the busiest times of the year. Yes they will inconvenience and p-off many people but if it gets a result then the union will figure that it's a job well done. How many of you will stop flying BA (if it exists) once all this is over? Not many I'll be bound. |
Look at the financial position of BA - they are in no position to compromise, that is what is so absurd about this action
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I don't think you'll find Monarch have any 747's 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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[quote="martinm"]I don't think you'll find Monarch have any 747' [/quote
Well whatever it is he pilots then.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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God bless sl-eazy jet
2 tickets to Lyon safely in the pocket
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| chrisb wrote: |
| some colourful language on the wall postings. What bets on air rage against cabin crew at some point.? |
I was wondering along those lines whether threat to personal safety when travelling in uniform would mean that they claim the days off as "sick due to stress" rather than even losing pay. Meanwhile other BA staff will be called upon to give up their holiday time to deal with chaos in terminals.
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Not sure who I'm flying with - might be Monarch 
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Last Xmas I was shafted by BA, booked Gatwick to Geneva nearly 12 months in advance at bargain basement price. They pulled the route with 6 weeks to go and offered me Heathrow to Lyon instead, but wanted another £900 off me for the 4 of us.
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Flying with BA tomorrow to Canada (ski holiday obv.). Hoping that either the strike is ruled illegal, so we get home as planned, or that we get either a few days extra skiing or a chance to see Vancouver. Worst case scenario seems at the mo' seems to be the possibility of nasty re-routing via alternate airlines and connections. Probably won't know how we're getting home until we're out there.
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Last edited by After all it is free  on Tue 15-12-09 22:37; edited 1 time in total
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Just-Jill, you are one cool customer
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Just-Jill, Good on you - please spread your good vibes all over SH 
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| Shimmy Alcott wrote: |
| Just-Jill, you are one cool customer |
Yes, but once she's out there, who really cares if you can't leave the ski resort for an extra day or two whilst you look for alternative routes home...
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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The thing is teh Union leadership don't seem to give a damn about anyone other than themselves, they must know what this strike will cost BA, if BA goes down the pan over this then there will be hundreds/thousands of BA staff out of a job and the strike will be very much to blame
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| D G Orf wrote: |
| The thing is the Union leadership don't seem to give a damn about anyone other than themselves, they must know what this strike will cost BA, WHEN BA goes down the pan over this then there will be hundreds/thousands of BA staff out of a job and the strike will be one of the final nails in the coffin |
Fixed it for ya..
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Lifted this off the Unite the Union Fb page, don't know if its plausible
Here's my plan: if my December 30 flight is cancelled, I'll be issuing a Small Claims Consumer Court summons against Unite. The cost is negligible and as a consumer, you're not eligible for costs if you lose. It'll cost Unite hundreds of pounds simply to defend.
If enough people do this, we can bankrupt this dinosaur of a Union.
Here's the link you need:... See More
http://www.consumerrightsexpert.co.uk/HowToUseSmallClaimsCourt.html
... Send it on!
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Shimmy Alcott, sounds like a very good idea, but whilst we may believe it is Unite to blame it may be difficult to prove that in a court of law. Unite would probably say in their defence that it is not them but the BA cabin crew who chose to strike. I guess it may be possible to sue Unite and the cabin crew staff jointly and severally - don't know how that would work. However I do like the idea!
Latest news is that BA and Unite are meeting today at 15:00 GMT for talks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8415370.stm
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| mfj197 wrote: |
| Shimmy Alcott, sounds like a very good idea, but whilst we may believe it is Unite to blame it may be difficult to prove that in a court of law. Unite would probably say in their defence that it is not them but the BA cabin crew who chose to strike. |
I think the vote was for Industrial Action. The form of action was decided upon by the union.
This is one of the points in the BA case this afternoon; the members did not vote for a strike.
The gist of BA claim this afternoon is that the question on the voting paper did NOT authorise a strike (see section 229/2b) . Industrial Action is NOT legal strike unless the question contain the very specific wording contained in 229/4
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Voting paper .(1)
The method of voting in a ballot must be by the marking of a voting paper by the person voting. .
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The voting paper must contain at least one of the following questions— .
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a question (however framed) which requires the person answering it to say, by answering “Yes” or “No”, whether he is prepared to take part or, as the case may be, to continue to take part in a strike; .
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a question (however framed) which requires the person answering it to say, by answering “Yes” or “No”, whether he is prepared to take part or, as the case may be, to continue to take part in industrial action short of a strike. .
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The voting paper must specify who, in the event of a vote in favour of industrial action, is authorised for the purposes of section 233 to call upon members to take part or continue to take part in the industrial action. .
The person or description of persons so specified need not be authorised under the rules of the union but must be within section 20(3) (persons for whose acts the union is taken to be responsible).
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The following statement must (without being qualified or commented upon by anything else on the voting paper) appear on every voting paper— .
“If you take part in a strike or other industrial action, you may be in breach of your contract of employment.”.
see
Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992
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http://www.england-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1992/ukpga_19920052_en_13#pt5-pb3-l1g226
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| Wayne wrote: |
| The gist of BA claim this afternoon is that the question on the voting paper did NOT authorise a strike (see section 229/2b) . Industrial Action is NOT legal strike unless the question contain the very specific wording contained in 229/4 |
Ah, my understanding is the thrux of BA's claim is that some of the members balloted were ineligible because they were no longer under the employ of BA, as per the BBC report here. Although the more reasons for the strike being illegal the better, as far as my (rather biased) opinion is concerned!
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mfj197 Yep – you’re right, just reread all the stuff.
I think (me knowing sod all about the law BTW) this will revolve around whether the union balloted people/members it was “reasonable” for them (the union) to believe that could take part in some form of industrial action at BA.
As Maggy T got rid of secondary action I “think” (though may be wrong) that this would/should only include employees of BA.
Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 - section 227 - Entitlement to vote in ballot
(1) Entitlement to vote in the ballot must be accorded equally to all the members of the trade union who it is reasonable at the time of the ballot for the union to believe will be induced to take part or, as the case may be, to continue to take part in the industrial action in question, and to no others.
(2) The requirement in subsection (1) shall be taken not to have been satisfied if any person who was a member of the trade union at the time when the ballot was held and was denied entitlement to vote in the ballot is induced by the union to take part or, as the case may be, to continue to take part in the industrial action.
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It's looking like my girlfriend will not be coming home for Christmas, she is due to leave Brisbane with BA on Dec 24th and arrive at Heathrow 5am Christmas day.
Well done cabin crew, you have properly ruined our Christmas.
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Wed 16-12-09 16:32; edited 1 time in total
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I think they should just make striking illegal ... How ironic it would be if they couldn't get to the talks at 15:00 GMT because of the snow today!
Sorry to hear of your difficulties HellBent.
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