 Poster: A snowHead
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| LittleRos wrote: |
Our World In Data will give you tests per 1,000 population, positivity rate and sequencing rate for the UK and France, all of which back you up and suggest that the overall case numbers and Omicron share in France are much higher than the official testing figures. |
According to this the latest data on the share of infections that are Omicron is just 2.33% in UK. That as 3 days ago but still a lot less than the 50% they were talking about yesterday. And France at that point was 4% - so ahead of us.
Look at the data below....
Cases per million are at similar level. But France are testing much less than us; and more tests are coming up positive - suggesting they have less visibility of the number of total cases
Definitely bolting the door after the horse has bolted |
Not all PCR positives are sequenced, though more are in the UK than most countries. Presumably the 50% figure is the proportion they are seeing in sequenced cases. S-gene dropout %ages may also provide a rough guide to omicron vs delta rates. |
Yes, you're probs right about the 50% being S-gene dropout - a good indicator but not the same as full sequence. And yes, France is sequencing far fewer cases than UK:
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Specialman wrote: |
| Hel1234 wrote: |
| ....And the French document listing reasons only mentions airports as well (last line) so not sure Crystal are correct.... |
I'm fully expecting 'clarification' of the rules in the next 24hrs or so to put the kibosh on our trip. |
Just seen this on the Crystal website ...
Andorra:
We’re aware that the French Government have today announced a ban on UK travellers entering France. For customers due to travel to Andorra via France on the 19th December, 26th December and 2nd January, we’re currently working on plans to rearrange your flights into Barcelona so that holidays can continue as planned. We’ll continue to monitor the situation for future departures and will be in contact with customers directly if there are any changes to flying arrangements.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well, home again after a little jaunt to Eurotunnel. We had not heard the news this morning, but were alerted to the status by a friend (I went to my phone to see if there had been a problem in the tunnel). There were very long queues and I felt sorry for the people directing traffic who were dealing with very angry people, and not all Brits. We were en route, but as it was becoming apparent that family would not be able to travel in the next week, decided to bail if possible. A very pleasant and helpful member of eurotunnel staff who was checking passports (just in advance of border control) when asked if it would be possible to not go ahead, said we would be able to be escorted out if we requested it and would have our fare refunded. So that is what we did. Very disappointed, but at the end of the day, we are well and that is the most important thing. We hope we will be able to travel in the coming weeks and look forward to being with our family over Christmas rather than spending a lonely time on two planks. Best wishes to all.
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If your in france and need to get a pcr test, I've found the best bet is to go on the site doctolib; https://www.doctolib.fr/depistage-covid-19-pcr-prelevement-naso-pharynge/albertville
obviously type in your location or geolocalise. these labs will usually return a result in about 12 hours. you get a secure log in online and can print off a certificate from there. most towns have these facilities so don't be stressed if you are at a specific station and the recommended testing site has no availability. you may have to travel a few kms but you should find something. I beehive that without a french card vital and valid pass sanitaire you will have to pay at these sites but i thought id mention it as an option.
best of luck to any looking to head to the slopes
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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We are booked with Erna Low and due to go out on 1 January. Their phone lines are closed with a recorded message to check the website. When you go there, they are telling people due to be on the slopes on Saturday to leave now. If you are booked for shortly after they are refunding. If your holiday is like ours then they are only making a decision to cancel and then refund you 7 days before travel. They say its an evolving situation. I love their optimism that our holiday might go ahead. That of course means they think there is a chance which I know is not the case but I can’t help but think : “you never know”….
So, we are a limbo situation we know the result of (almost) until Boxing Day.
I do feel very sorry for them having to make all these refunds - it must be crushing to have to do it and suffer the costs.
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Do you think that France is getting us back finally for summer's 'Amber Plus'?????
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| Specialman wrote: |
New form required to enter France along with sworn statement:
https://passager.serveureos.org/forms/
Is UK not in the list of countries in the drop down? I can't see anything UK, Grand Bretagne, Angleterre... |
Is completion of this form effective immediately or from Friday night?
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Was due to fly out to Geneva on Xmas Eve and then on to Tignes. Obviously that's now a no go. 
On the slight positive side our lovely Airbnb host was very understanding and agreed to refund the whole payment amount even though officially we were only entitled to 50% if we cancelled at this late stage.
Now just need to hope we can do the same with easyjet and our bus transfer.
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It's "Royaume Uni" They speak French there, you know.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@kettonskimum,
They had no choice , they even quoted Johnson “ that we were about to be hit with a Tsunami of omnivom infections” Project fear right or not caused this . Wouldn’t be surprised if most shut their borders to us .
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Rob Mackley wrote: |
@kettonskimum,
They had no choice , they even quoted Johnson “ that we were about to be hit with a Tsunami of omnivom infections” |
And France isn't?
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Hel1234 wrote:
Just seen this on the Crystal website ...
Andorra:
We’re aware that the French Government have today announced a ban on UK travellers entering France. For customers due to travel to Andorra via France on the 19th December, 26th December and 2nd January, we’re currently working on plans to rearrange your flights into Barcelona so that holidays can continue as planned. We’ll continue to monitor the situation for future departures and will be in contact with customers directly if there are any changes to flying arrangements. |
Ah sugar. The ray of hope our trip was going ahead is now kaput... we have an unvaxxed 12yo so I guess we're not going.
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Is completion of this form effective immediately or from Friday night? |
Going by .Gov, looks to be applicable from the moment the new rules kick in, midnight Friday
@pam w, I have honestly never seen that before, I think it's always been 'UK' > I now feel like I've been living under a rock - doh!
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You know it makes sense.
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Any thoughts on ferry to Hook of Holland then travelling down to France via Belgium? Just thinking aloud! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Handy Turnip wrote: |
| Rob Mackley wrote: |
@kettonskimum,
They had no choice , they even quoted Johnson “ that we were about to be hit with a Tsunami of omnivom infections” |
And France isn't? |
Of course France is. However, it is much easier to handle without large numbers of foreign tourists, who's own government has demanded departure testing. The implications of that alone for small French communities is enough to close the borders to UK tourists IMV.
Not to mention that the Spring holidays are much more important to the French, and they want to protect them at all costs.
The only possible way that this could have worked out for the UK is if they were in some sort of closer political union with France and other major skiing states.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Oddly, I've just check easyJet website and no mention of all this, and not only is my flight to Marseille on 23 December still listed, I've since had one of those "get ready for your flight" emails.
Maybe by 23 December it will all be OK!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| JamesHJ wrote: |
| However, it is much easier to handle without large numbers of foreign tourists. |
How much is much easier? And does that outweigh the economic harm that come with travel bans, not to mention the loss of civil liberties?
I think travel bans provide benefits for a relatively small window of opportunity, in which additional countermeasures which might make a significant different can be put in place. With Omicron spreading so quickly I think that window of opportunity is already all but closed, so the harms that travel bans cause are already disproportionately larger than the benefits that the restrictions might bring.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| JDL65 wrote: |
| Specialman wrote: |
New form required to enter France along with sworn statement:
https://passager.serveureos.org/forms/
Is UK not in the list of countries in the drop down? I can't see anything UK, Grand Bretagne, Angleterre... |
Is completion of this form effective immediately or from Friday night? |
I'm unsure, there doesn't look to be any harm in filling in both this and the original paper version(?) The Eurotunnel website and phone lines are down so I can't upload this declaration or negative Covid results currently. We are booked on a 12.25 tomorrow and have everything crossed...even one day's skiing would be worth it!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Potential problem with travelling to France via Italy is the PCR test taken in the UK will probably show "UK" on it and be slightly obvious...........
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@Rob Mackley, Correct. With that quote, Boris handed the opportunity to Macron on a plate.
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| KenX wrote: |
| Potential problem with travelling to France via Italy is the PCR test taken in the UK will probably show "UK" on it and be slightly obvious........... |
Don't need PCR for France. And lateral flows can be remotely administered and vetted for a certification.
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| Trevskii wrote: |
| JDL65 wrote: |
| Specialman wrote: |
New form required to enter France along with sworn statement:
https://passager.serveureos.org/forms/
Is UK not in the list of countries in the drop down? I can't see anything UK, Grand Bretagne, Angleterre... |
Is completion of this form effective immediately or from Friday night? |
I'm unsure, there doesn't look to be any harm in filling in both this and the original paper version(?) The Eurotunnel website and phone lines are down so I can't upload this declaration or negative Covid results currently. We are booked on a 12.25 tomorrow and have everything crossed...even one day's skiing would be worth it! |
Details relating to the form under 2.2 here: https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/L-actu-du-Ministere/Certificate-of-international-travel
Reading the text I don't think it needs completing unless told to on entry. Let me know if you interpret another way...
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New plan booked.
Newcastle to Hook of Holland, Monday 20 December 17:00
Return
Hook of Holland > Harwich, Wednesday 30 December 22:00
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@dougie what happens at a border or I guess being through the EU that might be fine. Not worried about a random check on the motorway or in resort who want to know when you arrived etc? Really hope this works though.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Dougie wrote: |
New plan booked.
Newcastle to Hook of Holland, Monday 20 December 17:00
Return
Hook of Holland > Harwich, Wednesday 30 December 22:00 |
Heading to where? as you still can’t enter France if you are a uk resident
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Chamsters wrote: |
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| Potential problem with travelling to France via Italy is the PCR test taken in the UK will probably show "UK" on it and be slightly obvious........... |
Don't need PCR for France. And lateral flows can be remotely administered and vetted for a certification. |
You do now
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You know it makes sense.
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| Dougie wrote: |
New plan booked.
Newcastle to Hook of Holland, Monday 20 December 17:00
Return
Hook of Holland > Harwich, Wednesday 30 December 22:00 |
Heading to where? as you still can’t enter France if you are a uk resident |
Presumably trying out an unmanned border!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Chamsters, @andmelffion, Sorry. Probably wrong thread because originally I was transiting France to get to Austria. Now missing France out.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Travellers in transit for less than 24 hours in an international zone.[b]
This is an interesting one.
Some are interpreting it that if you for example fly into CdG and you are transiting to HR, then your fine, but NOT if you are driving through the tunnel on route to say Austria.
So logically thinking that would mean that they are happy you sat in an airport mixing with hundreds maybe thousands of others, but not all right to remain in your car and drive down the motorway with only your car passengers as close contacts.
If true, a very strange one IMHO.
Ive not contacted Eurotunnel today for clarification, as Im sure they were busy!!!!!!!!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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so is andorra out for single jabbed teens? trying to find an alternative?
anyone know if possible to transit spain/france to get into andorra? not very fair on andorra tourism if uk tourists effectively banned
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Crystal website says they’re looking into all flights to now go via Barcelona so yes, that’s screws us who have unvaxxed teens I think.
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| JDgoesskiing wrote: |
so is andorra out for single jabbed teens? trying to find an alternative?
anyone know if possible to transit spain/france to get into andorra? not very fair on andorra tourism if uk tourists effectively banned |
I am coming to the same conclusion. if you could fly in to andorra via helicopter its fine but getting there from france / spain would appear impossible if you have a partially vaxed teen
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Looking for alternatives, would Scotland be an option? I know its not "the alps" but at least its something?
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@Rob Mackley, I think to be fair, that Nicola Sturgeon coined the phrase Tsunami first.
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We've got through. Feel very lucky. No checks other than passports. Tignes tomorrow.
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