!s alignment with UKIP going to help his cause? .......
I can't see that his political views should affect the validity of his case one way or the other.
"Cause" versus "case".
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Why didn't BASI grant him the ISTD when they did the other instructors of his level?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
"According to current French law instructors need to be either working through their qualifications with a certified ski school or hold the top-level ISTD qualification. Simon Butler holds the ISTD qualification, but some other instructors who work for Simon Butler Skiing do not." http://www.planetski.eu/news/5820
miranda, admin cock-up between them I think, rather than anything more intriguing or sinister. It was all resolved along with status of other people in a similar position some time later. Simon does hold the ISTD.
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ah, a simple search and the answer pops up straight from the horse's mouth!
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I was not required to take the Speed Test as I was on the original list of Grade 1s to receive the Equivalence at the time this was first required in France. Unlike the other instructors who held the same qualification, BASI did not grant me the Equivalence - mainly because I employ Grade 3 and 2 instructors.
D G ORF - the person in the video is SBs advisor I understand and also has some history with the French authorities apparently
He ran ski cocktail which was a similar set up to SBs until it went bust due to police harassment ... leaving unpaid staff (according to Natives).
His video is very good whether he is advising SB or not. He makes a lot of valid points that have also been made on this thread and the Eurotest thread. Snowheads has provided much better coverage of this issue than I've seen elsewhere.
As the mayor of a ski resort he probably has a good idea about the legal and administrative issues and is no doubt used to dealing with the Byzantine French state. I think the French have been hoisted by their own petard, so to speak. They've created this barrier but it doesn't even work for them as it creates a shortage of instructors so they then have to qualify loads of other people to teach for peak periods. It is a socialist command economy at its worst but you see it all over in France, shortages created by too much regulation rather than letting the market work. Still the UK has gone that way over recent years.
I don't think SB is important. The way I think things will go is through the French administrative courts rather than the criminal system. Thanks to publicity and information on snowheads, FB etc suitably qualified European instructors will apply for their Carte Pro, maybe after a season or two in another country teaching. These will either be issued in compliance with the EU directive or not. If not then the applicant will launch a case in the Administrative Court in Grenoble. This will be rejected and they will appeal to Lyon court who have a more objective view of things as they are not influenced by ESF Gala Dinners in Meylan etc . After a couple of such appeals the Lyon court will issue a directive to Grenoble court about the proper application of the EU directive, what constitutes relevant experience (no. of hours teaching etc). (this is basically what Laundryman said 10 pages back).
A court case against the ESF and BASI for running an illegal cartel might be a good approach too but it sounds like Jean-Yves has this in hand. If this turns out to be true EU fines could be eye-watering for BASI given the number of ski instructors involved; could bankrupt them.
Interesting times.
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Indeed informative and interesting. For me the argument is at 2 levels what is in the general public interest and the case which is what is the law under the EU directive. I would agree that in my business experience that France is more regulated than some other EU countries. My understanding though is that the directive is about mutual recognition of qualifications required by local regulations. My reading is that experience in terms of hours is not sufficient only if that experience effectively means you have achieved the relevant qualifications eg FIS points in lieu of the Eurotest. Both the defence and prosecution come down to an interpretation of the directive.
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davidof, interesting comments. I agree with your analysis of where we are at the moment, and bow to your more informed insight of how things might proceed in the next few years as agreements between instructor associations are gradually brought in line with he relevant laws.
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IMy reading is that experience in terms of hours is not sufficient only if that experience effectively means you have achieved the relevant qualifications eg FIS points in lieu of the Eurotest. Both the defence and prosecution come down to an interpretation of the directive.
Going back to the case SB won in 2008? the prosecution wasn't able to demonstrate that the Eurotest was a vital safety element for being a ski instructor so it will be interesting to see what happens this time. Anyone know why SB lost his last case?
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davidof wrote:
Anyone know why SB lost his last case?
I think it was because he was judged not to have submitted a declaration to DDJS of his intent to work.
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Going back to the case SB won in 2008? the prosecution wasn't able to demonstrate that the Eurotest was a vital safety element for being a ski instructor so it will be interesting to see what happens this time.
Mountain 'Guides' are not required to pass the Eurotest, or any such test, and they generally take clients into more unsafe areas. Pisteres are required to achieve 'Argent' level on a ESF Fleeche race which is considerably below Eurotest standard.
So the safety element will be hard to demonstrate.
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davidof wrote:
Anyone know why SB lost his last case?
I think it was because he was judged not to have submitted a declaration to DDJS of his intent to work.
It is imperative that any paperwork submitted to DDJS/DDCS or other such bodies should be by recorded delivery or it 'may' get lost
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stewart woodward, how are they with online submission of documents?
You know it makes sense.
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stewart woodward, how are they with online submission of documents?
All my documents disappeared from the DDCS web site. When I questioned why I was told they had been sent to another department but no one knows which one
Rob, are you having a days rest
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I don't think anyone buys the safety argument. However, the directive just states that the aptitude test must be justified in terms of a qualification being recognised. The relevant article does not say anything about safety. The directive is about mutual recognition of qualifications generally and in most professions where the directive also applies safety will not be an issue. It is a question of whether the equivalent standard has been achieved. If a level 3 could demonstrate they were at the same Std as a level 4 then their qualification would have to be recognised. I think most people would accept there is a substantial difference between level3 and level4.
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If this turns out to be true EU fines could be eye-watering for BASI given the number of ski instructors involved; could bankrupt them.
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Given the price differentials between the ESF and BASI schools it would be difficult to argue such a case. Making unsubstantiated claims could cause a legal problem for the accuser though.
Shep if you are saying that they are arguing that a level 2 should be able to be recognised as a trainee at an approved school without doing the TT then I think you are right, although if the rules are interpreted that the same conditions as a local apply then the level 2 should do the TT or the TT should be incorporated into the level 2. The specific SB case here I understand though relates to level 3s as basically he stopped using level 2s and only used level 3s under his interpretation of the EU rules.
It does make me wonder what the BASI L2 qual if for then as we have agreed that most of the jobs for teaching English Language customers is in France. From looking at the BASI info I thought that once you got the L2 Qual you were good to go. Obviously not earning the same has higher qualified people and not teaching more capable skiers. But if you do not start teaching at L2 how can you ever get to L3 and beyond as you need the hours as pre-requisite.
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L2 options are to take TT in France, snowdomes, interski in Italy, Austria or pay for an L3 course in Switzerland and work the holiday periods. Basically demand for L2s is to cover beginners in the peak holiday period. Don't think anyone promises that you can make a living as an L2 other than as a bit of casual work. BASI says L3 is for seasonal workers and L4 for people who want to make a career as a ski instructor.
L2 options are to take TT in France, snowdomes, interski in Italy, Austria or pay for an L3 course in Switzerland and work the holiday periods. Basically demand for L2s is to cover beginners in the peak holiday period. Don't think anyone promises that you can make a living as an L2 other than as a bit of casual work. BASI says L3 is for seasonal workers and L4 for people who want to make a career as a ski instructor.
Which is why I find the whole BASI Level 2 ridiculous...
I have worked for the past 3 seasons as a CSIA level 2 Instructor, CSCF Level 1 Race Coach and CADS level 1.
I work 7 hour days, teaching complete beginners to Adults racing gates and everything in between.
I hope to take my Level 3 exam in April...time permitting. But to be honest in the big picture of things... I don't really need to do it, as the pay rise is minimal and my hours wouldn't increase. I may get preference on teaching more advanced students occasionally...but these days regardless of level, most Instructors are teaching Intermediates or below...it's the nature of the job.
As for making a living... I save enough over the season to have 4 months off during the year. Not many can do that in other jobs...as I have very few outgoings.
I was even able to get sponsored here in Canada, even as a level 2, so I get my Ski equipment free.
I'm not an odd case...there are many like me teaching over here and in the States... and getting plenty of hours teaching and Personal development training...which at our ski school we get paid for the hours we do training.
I'm so glad I never went through the BASI system after reading through this thread....
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Mountain 'Guides' are not required to pass the Eurotest, or any such test, and they generally take clients into more unsafe areas. Pisteres are required to achieve 'Argent' level on a ESF Fleeche race which is considerably below Eurotest standard.
So the safety element will be hard to demonstrate.
Pisteurs have to pass "Fleche Vermeil" - above Fleche Argent. They then have to pass a "Test Technique" that's an off-piste descent judged by a panel drawn from Chef des Pistes, etc. The standard of skiing (at least for entry into the French guides scheme) is high - again an off-piste ski test. The mountaineering experience and skills (including ski mountaineering) to enter the scheme are considerable. So the safety element is certainly there.
On the subject of the EU directive I was successful in getting a UK qualification plus professional experience recognised (in France) to give me the "prerogatives" of the French Moniteur d'Escalade. This was done via the DDCS and ENSA. My experience with the DDCS etc was that they were very helpful and gave me some good advice on how to approach it.
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Indeed Spud. As I posted realised other options also. You do need to research the job options before deciding your route Generally best to do the qualification where you intend to work so if you plan to work in Austria and speak German best to do Anwärter. I have heard BASI L2s getting work in Canada as well? Most do L2 as a GAP course with no intention of working and some just use it to do some casual work but otherwise you need to be looking to work though the levels. No doubt BASI systems works for some you just need to be clear what you intend to do.
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Of course L2 can work on UK snow, e.g. Cairngorm, Glenshee.
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Indeed Spud. As I posted realised other options also. You do need to research the job options before deciding your route Generally best to do the qualification where you intend to work so if you plan to work in Austria and speak German best to do Anwärter. I have heard BASI L2s getting work in Canada as well? Most do L2 as a GAP course with no intention of working and some just use it to do some casual work but otherwise you need to be looking to work though the levels. No doubt BASI systems works for some you just need to be clear what you intend to do.
TTT...Which is why I took CSIA...it's English speaking and recognised throughout the world.
You can Instruct as a level 2 in Canada, USA, New Zealand, Oz quiet easily with a level 2 without speaking another language.
Same can be said of Japan if you are under 30.
You can also get seasonal work in Andorra, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and many other European countries on a level 2 csia, but it helps to speak the language or other languages to get the hours.
France and Italy seem to be the hardest to get into for a long term career.
I just don't get why anyone would go through the BASI route as there are so many easier and cheaper alternatives...unless you wish to teach in the UK...I really can't see the benefits tbh.
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Indeed Spud. As I posted realised other options also. You do need to research the job options before deciding your route Generally best to do the qualification where you intend to work so if you plan to work in Austria and speak German best to do Anwärter. I have heard BASI L2s getting work in Canada as well? Most do L2 as a GAP course with no intention of working and some just use it to do some casual work but otherwise you need to be looking to work though the levels. No doubt BASI systems works for some you just need to be clear what you intend to do.
TTT...Which is why I took CSIA...it's English speaking and recognised throughout the world.
You can Instruct as a level 2 in Canada, USA, New Zealand, Oz quiet easily with a level 2 without speaking another language.
Same can be said of Japan if you are under 30.
You can also get seasonal work in Andorra, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and many other European countries on a level 2 csia, but it helps to speak the language or other languages to get the hours.
France and Italy seem to be the hardest to get into for a long term career.
I just don't get why anyone would go through the BASI route as there are so many easier and cheaper alternatives...unless you wish to teach in the UK...I really can't see the benefits tbh.
Same for Daughter she did BASI L1 but then went for CSIA L1 & L2 as it seemed more sensible (like you not enough language skills). She managed to get a job (they wanted 2 years experience ! sound familiar; but managed to persuaded them with references and child care quals and is teaching kids with just L2. Mind some of the kids are brilliant skiers easily coping with double blacks. Progression on up to L3 but it will take at least 2 years she thinks. I can't understand the BASI concept of L2 but you can't teach in Europe (allegedly). To get BASI L3 surely you need to start off and work up to a L3 with beginners. But how do you do that easily in EU.
Only worry is VISAs but if we come out of the EU then we will really have fun getting work visas in France.
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Of course L2 can work on UK snow, e.g. Cairngorm, Glenshee.
L2 Good enough to work on British EU soil but not good enough to work on French EU soil
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The mountaineering experience and skills (including ski mountaineering) to enter the scheme are considerable. So the safety element is certainly there.
If anyone is interested this is Cecile Thomas doing her 'probatoire' (aka test technique) to enter into the French guiding process. Film from a few years ago. Unlike the Eurotest the test is judged by a panel.
Notice that she descends cut up snow without hesitation or stopping: Ski toutes neiges, toutes conditions as they say. There are a few ideas behind it. A guide should have a physical capacity far in excess than all but the most expert of clients. They may have to route find in poor conditions, help clients, fix running lines, abseils, perform a crevasse rescue, if there is no phone signal descend fast and safely to fetch help after making the clients safe and comfortable.
Ski instructors have some of the same constraints. You need to be able to work days in all conditions with groups of guests while assuring their safety and comfort. It is not just sitting on the terrace of a cafe in courchevel sunning yourself. So there is a safety and capacity aspect - whether that has anything at all to do with the Eurotest is another question. Of course teaching a dozen kids in the jardin des enfants how to snowplough needs kid management skills more than anything.[/quote]
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achilles wrote:
Claude B wrote:
!s alignment with UKIP going to help his cause? .......
I can't see that his political views should affect the validity of his case one way or the other.
"Cause" versus "case".
Cause and case should be the same, as far as the French court is concerned.
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Notice that she descends cut up snow without hesitation or stopping
Putain bien!
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davidof, The old test de capacité contained a timed descent over variable snow as well as the slalom. I thought that part of the reason for the Eurotest was that it was too hard to ensure consistency across different days for the timed descent, you were supposed to do long radius turns for it so why not replace both parts of it with a GS.
I was the last one off the Grande Motte one day this autumn, mainly because I wasn't as confident as the other coaches at carrying gates around in zero visibility and drifting snow, I'm glad I wasn't looking after any trainees.
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Notice that she descends cut up snow without hesitation or stopping
Putain bien!
She is a nice skier but did a lot of training to get to that level I am told. I know that sounds a bit stupid but what I mean is specific training for the exam beyond already skiing at a good level.
Here is her website (she is now a qualified guide, one of about 20 women in France) if anyone is looking for a female guide
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Surely, you can do the same with a BASI L2 as Canadian L2 just that easier to get work with Canadian qualification in N America? Also BASI system is more accessible if you want to stay in Europe but agree if you want to work in Canada, Canadian qualification makes more sense.
Surely, you can do the same with a BASI L2 as Canadian L2 just that easier to get work with Canadian qualification in N America? Also BASI system is more accessible if you want to stay in Europe but agree if you want to work in Canada, Canadian qualification makes more sense.
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balernoStu wrote:
Of course L2 can work on UK snow, e.g. Cairngorm, Glenshee.
L2 Good enough to work on British EU soil but not good enough to work on French EU soil
Indeed Stewart, and I'm sure you'd agree the responsibility of a group in these ski areas is significant. However I add them as opportunities for L2 instructors looking to gain experience.
I did a season in NZ with the old G3 (=L2) but used a holiday working visa and attended the local hiring clinic to secure the job. I.e. I didn't have a contract when I flew out, those were available to ISIA or returning staff only at that time. US and Canadian instructors in the school were L3 min.
Indeed Spud. As I posted realised other options also. You do need to research the job options before deciding your route Generally best to do the qualification where you intend to work so if you plan to work in Austria and speak German best to do Anwärter. I have heard BASI L2s getting work in Canada as well? Most do L2 as a GAP course with no intention of working and some just use it to do some casual work but otherwise you need to be looking to work though the levels. No doubt BASI systems works for some you just need to be clear what you intend to do.
TTT...Which is why I took CSIA...it's English speaking and recognised throughout the world.
You can Instruct as a level 2 in Canada, USA, New Zealand, Oz quiet easily with a level 2 without speaking another language.
Same can be said of Japan if you are under 30.
You can also get seasonal work in Andorra, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and many other European countries on a level 2 csia, but it helps to speak the language or other languages to get the hours.
France and Italy seem to be the hardest to get into for a long term career.
I just don't get why anyone would go through the BASI route as there are so many easier and cheaper alternatives...unless you wish to teach in the UK...I really can't see the benefits tbh.
All of which you can do with a BASI 2 by the way. Working as a BASI 2 in Switzerland can actually be reasonably lucrative depending on who you work for, so I'm not sure where you've got the idea that the Canadian system opens doors that the BASI one can't? Especially if you want equivalence for your diploma level in europe, which would be significantly harder outside of Germany and maybe Switzerland. In fact, it would be a lot more cost effective just to start of in places like Switzerland or Australia, where you an start earning a living wage without ay qualifications whatsoever.
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spud wrote:
TTT wrote:
Indeed Spud. As I posted realised other options also. You do need to research the job options before deciding your route Generally best to do the qualification where you intend to work so if you plan to work in Austria and speak German best to do Anwärter. I have heard BASI L2s getting work in Canada as well? Most do L2 as a GAP course with no intention of working and some just use it to do some casual work but otherwise you need to be looking to work though the levels. No doubt BASI systems works for some you just need to be clear what you intend to do.
TTT...Which is why I took CSIA...it's English speaking and recognised throughout the world.
You can Instruct as a level 2 in Canada, USA, New Zealand, Oz quiet easily with a level 2 without speaking another language.
Same can be said of Japan if you are under 30.
You can also get seasonal work in Andorra, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and many other European countries on a level 2 csia, but it helps to speak the language or other languages to get the hours.
France and Italy seem to be the hardest to get into for a long term career.
I just don't get why anyone would go through the BASI route as there are so many easier and cheaper alternatives...unless you wish to teach in the UK...I really can't see the benefits tbh.
All of which you can do with a BASI 2 by the way. Working as a BASI 2 in Switzerland can actually be reasonably lucrative depending on who you work for, so I'm not sure where you've got the idea that the Canadian system opens doors that the BASI one can't? Especially if you want equivalence for your diploma level in europe, which would be significantly harder outside of Germany and maybe Switzerland. In fact, it would be a lot more cost effective just to start of in places like Switzerland or Australia, where you an start earning a living wage without ay qualifications whatsoever.
Not saying it's not possible...but if you read the posts above it alludes that BASI level 3 is aimed at seasonal workers not level 2. And to get level 3 you need so many hours under your belt. Plus I was also alluding to the language barrier...if you find that difficult.
I've been offered jobs in Switzerland and Austria and they all preferred me to speak either German or French or another languages to get regular hours and income. Not being able to talk in the native language definitely makes it more difficult.
For me it makes sense to go through the Association of the Country you wish to work in...
As for cheaper...not necessarily... you can do all the Csia levels and CSCF levels throughout all the season in Andorra...it's very reasonable compared to Basi.
The downside to working outside certain European Countries is the Visa situation...often harder to get than a job offer.
Either way...becoming a Ski Instructor is bloody hard work with a lot of obstacles in the way...nothing seems easy.
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SkiRider wrote:
spud wrote:
TTT wrote:
Indeed Spud. As I posted realised other options also. You do need to research the job options before deciding your route Generally best to do the qualification where you intend to work so if you plan to work in Austria and speak German best to do Anwärter. I have heard BASI L2s getting work in Canada as well? Most do L2 as a GAP course with no intention of working and some just use it to do some casual work but otherwise you need to be looking to work though the levels. No doubt BASI systems works for some you just need to be clear what you intend to do.
TTT...Which is why I took CSIA...it's English speaking and recognised throughout the world.
You can Instruct as a level 2 in Canada, USA, New Zealand, Oz quiet easily with a level 2 without speaking another language.
Same can be said of Japan if you are under 30.
You can also get seasonal work in Andorra, Austria, Switzerland, Germany and many other European countries on a level 2 csia, but it helps to speak the language or other languages to get the hours.
France and Italy seem to be the hardest to get into for a long term career.
I just don't get why anyone would go through the BASI route as there are so many easier and cheaper alternatives...unless you wish to teach in the UK...I really can't see the benefits tbh.
All of which you can do with a BASI 2 by the way. Working as a BASI 2 in Switzerland can actually be reasonably lucrative depending on who you work for, so I'm not sure where you've got the idea that the Canadian system opens doors that the BASI one can't? Especially if you want equivalence for your diploma level in europe, which would be significantly harder outside of Germany and maybe Switzerland. In fact, it would be a lot more cost effective just to start of in places like Switzerland or Australia, where you an start earning a living wage without ay qualifications whatsoever.
Not saying it's not possible...but if you read the posts above it alludes that BASI level 3 is aimed at seasonal workers not level 2. And to get level 3 you need so many hours under your belt. Plus I was also alluding to the language barrier...if you find that difficult.
I've been offered jobs in Switzerland and Austria and they all preferred me to speak either German or French or another languages to get regular hours and income. Not being able to talk in the native language definitely makes it more difficult.
For me it makes sense to go through the Association of the Country you wish to work in...
As for cheaper...not necessarily... you can do all the Csia levels and CSCF levels throughout all the season in Andorra...it's very reasonable compared to Basi.
The downside to working outside certain European Countries is the Visa situation...often harder to get than a job offer.
Either way...becoming a Ski Instructor is bloody hard work with a lot of obstacles in the way...nothing seems easy.
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I've been offered jobs in Switzerland and Austria and they all preferred me to speak either German or French or another languages to get regular hours and income.
Seems fair enough. After all, French, Austrian and other instructors have all had to learn foreign languages.
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I've been offered jobs in Switzerland and Austria and they all preferred me to speak either German or French or another languages to get regular hours and income.
Seems fair enough. After all, French, Austrian and other instructors have all had to learn foreign languages.
Exactly... And realising that I've never been good at picking up languages I chose to work in Countries where I don't need to.
It's not just about teaching in a foreign language, there are so many other parts of the job where you would need to understand the language spoken...staff meetings, communicating with other members, workers, visitors of the resort.
I couldn't imagine the embarrassment of say, working in Austria, and an Austrian coming up to me and asking where the Ski School meeting point was...and not knowing how to reply in his language...or having the Ski School Director have to speak English to me after staff meetings and interpret what's being said...or expecting fellow Instructors when conversing to speak English to me.
Or be in a life or death situation with a client and the worst happened because there was a delay in getting help because of the language barrier.
Plus it's common decency to speak the language of the Country you are working in, or at least try imho.
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. After a couple of such appeals the Lyon court will issue a directive to Grenoble court about the proper application of the EU directive, what constitutes relevant experience (no. of hours teaching etc). (this is basically what Laundryman said 10 pages back).
