 Poster: A snowHead
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pam w, this kind of thing, which I agree is highly prevalent, is all the more 'entertaining' when your own exit off the motorway is imminent. I risk life and limb every time I drive to Hemel on the M1, as the relevant exit coincides with people joining the M1 from the M25. A lot of people. And the exit is really very shortly after the access for the incoming traffic. Since most of those drivers are behaving in the way in which you describe ie going like the clappers and not bothering to look in their mirrors and therefore not seeing that you are indicating left, getting off the M1 is a bloomin' nightmare.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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pam w, saw that type of Motorway driving last Thursday except the chap was trying to do it vs 2 lorries, not clever, he had to break hard at the last second to avoid an accident, the driver of the car I was in was already slowing down in anticipation of what might have occurred.
Have been the victim of an out of control skier before (he was straight lining a red run) fortunately he only hit me a glancing blow and with me being a big chap he came of worst as he carried on down the slope for the next couple of hundred yards end over end, multiple witnesses all started laughing at him once they had made certain both I and he were ok, I got away with a light bruise to my left arm but he must have been black and blue all over.
Poor self control by skiers and borders is probably the biggest cause of snow sports accidents, a lot I suspect has to do with peoples attitudes towards ski type holidays, wanting to run before they can walk so to speak, when I learnt to ski (all those decades ago) attitudes were different, people did not go skiing off on their own unless they were very experienced, even competent skiers would stay with the ski school both as a social thing and to learn new skills, now I'm told snow board classes often finish by 3 days in as the boarders think they know everything and want to get off the baby slopes and skiers are not much better.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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pam w, People joining the motorway regardless has become so endemic that I even checked the Highway Code recently just to make sure the rules had not changed.
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| Red Leon wrote: |
| narc wrote: |
| ....traversing the entire width of a slope at a shallow angle |
But those are the most predictable of skiiers (and occasionally) boarders and are, as a consequence, easily avoided. Why would they cause you any concern? |
Because they are taking a significantly different line to most skier traffic. While skiing it's impossible to have almost 180 degree vision to see if someone is about to come out at you almost 90 degrees to your direction of travel.
This is why blue runs are so dangerous, you have the widest variation of line and speed on one slope and it just doesn't work well.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| narc wrote: |
This is why blue runs are so dangerous, you have the widest variation of line and speed on one slope and it just doesn't work well. |
The only thing that is dangerous about blue runs are people skiing/boarding way too fast for their skill set. If people ski within their comfort zone taking consideration for ALL around them then the pistes would be much safer.
One thing that really pee's me off is people who have more speed than skill schussing beginners on an empty piste. Why  do they feel the need.
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Keep a pack of British mince in your bag to throw at vile frenchies who offend you. They still fear the beef!
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| pam w wrote: |
| You're driving along in the inside lane, biggish gap behind you, and some dork is joing the motorway, and on a collision course. Clearly they should slow down and slot into the gap behind (or speed up and get in front of you, if the speed limit permits). |
One thing that annoys me.
I am joining the motorway during my 50k a year travels and someone is tootling along on the inside lane, I either have to accelerate aggresively to get safely infront, or brake to go behind. Now don't get me wrong if the tootler has a 20 ton Artic coming down the 2nd lane at a faster speed fair enough hold your line and the entering driver needs to drive accordingly. But if there is nothing else on the motorway the tootler must pull into the second lane to allow you to enter the motorway.
Now the thing that really really annoys me. Someone is tootling along in the first lane (outer lanes empty) and when they realise you are accelerating to get in front rather than braking to go behind, said tootler decides they are having none of it and suddenly start accelerating themselves.
Etiquette, it has it's place on the piste and on the motorway. 
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But if there is nothing else on the motorway the tootler must pull into the second lane to allow you to enter the motorway.
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Oh really? Who says? If there is "nothing else on the motorway" you can readily judge whether to pull on ahead, or behind, the "tootler". If you find yourself either having to accelerate aggressively or brake then you misjudged your approach speed, and it's hardly the "tootlers" fault. The geometry of motorway junctions always gives you a decent time to watch the approaching traffic on the motorway and adjust your speed.
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fatbob, Any bloody excuse to name drop that you've been too busy on t'other side of pond to patronise the European ski scene.
But "complete closterfock" is indeed the perfect description....
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Ski like you would drive, no problems. If you're uphill, it's your job to avoid the downhill skier (like if you're too close to the car in front to brake in time, it's your fault). Which is why James the Last was at fault, and whyspud shouldn't complain, just leave enough room for them to do anything that they might possibly do. If you're starting off/joining a new piste (like joining a main road or pulling off from a parking space), you check what everyone who is already moving is doing, a la simon_bates.
narc's point is more interesting. On a blue, no-one would comment on this, although plenty of people would comment on someone skiing a black run like that: "oooohh they shouldn't be on that run, they're a danger to themselves and others." Screw that, let them break themselves if they want, they can take responsibility for themselves - just stay out the way, don't worry about it and keep yourself safe.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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clarky999, I'd generally agree, but there is a point where people can be a serious danger to others if they can't cope with the slope. I believe there have been some very bad incidents on The Wall in the PdS for example, with people killed by a skier falling from above. Though that may be an urban myth. And statistically I'd guess far more nasty accidents are caused by people skiing too fast on blue pistes. They might be very skilful skiers but good skiers can ski too fast too (just as skilful drivers can drive too fast).
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The biggest problem i've encountered, is passing Snowboarders. You haven't got the foggiest idea which way they are going to turn
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Oh so true. I have to leave a massive gap as I pass. Just wish they would return the favour. |
crossing pistes or turning off them is so much safer if boarders stick their left arm out to indicate they are turning towards their blind spot.. (oppo for goofy).. its not hard to make it obvious your performing a manouvre thats a bit out of the ordianary
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Which is why James the Last was at fault, |
He was; but the person he hit lost control which is why the accident happened. And James the Last was going too quickly to stop on a pinhead.
(But he was French and I was on his left, which according to the French is an acceptable way to overtake...) 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| And James the Last was going too quickly to stop on a pinhead. |
just give up already....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I am French, and I have never ever heard of this priority to the left malarkey...
As far as I know and was taught, it's the uphill skier that has responsibility. End of..
I do genuinely sympathise with people caught out by unexpected lines of other skiers though.
My scariest fall ever was at high speed down a steep red piste section: as I turned up at the top of said section with a bit of speed already, only one other skier was already going down it in the middle, in a straight line. I wanted more speed so tucked in, went down the complete left of the piste and went for it, planning to leave a gap of about 6 meters between 1st skier and myself when I would overtake her... Except she did a very hard and fast left at the last minute ( I assume she got scared of her own speed) all the way to the left of piste. I barely had time to react, extremely hard right from me, I did avoid her but then a ski caught and I ended up in a high speed crash an in a heap at the bottom of the steep section, with gear spread out all over... while she trundled pas unaware I think of what had happened...quite painful for me as well..
In truth I was upset at her but it'd still have been my fault..
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On busy slopes with junctions I have started to point in the direction I intend to go, it seems a bit grandpa-ish but if it helps a skier above me judge their route better it seems a price worth paying. I also wear a helmet and am considering wrapping myself from head to toe in bubblewrap...but that has nothing to do with skiing so I will leave any further discussion on that point to a more "appropriate" forum!
People starting from below without checking uphill really get on my tits and the mini Psychos are regularly reminded of this requirement by their increasingl grumpy dad 
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