Just as I understand people wanting to wear helmets, I absolutely understand people not wanting to wear helmets. I do not though understand why either side making up and/or repeating rubbish to justify their stance.
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@thecramps, what I don't get, putting it simply is how people who are so against helmets believe people who wear them will get worse injuries. Ok so I get the whole skiing faster bit, and to a degree I agree with it however if helmets added no protection or made things worse why would have competitive skiing (xc exluded), motorsports, horse riding etc etc adopted their use.
How many people with a brain between their ears would walk up to a rock or tree or icy slope and head but it voluntarily at speed without protection.......
@PaulC1984, exactly, that's an example of the rubbish I was referring to. Claiming helmets actually make skiing more dangerous is such obvious bollox it can only be political that otherwise intelligent people preach it.
Live and let live, just don't start whinging when your partner has to feed you and wipe your ar$e.
Couldn't agree with you more, absolutely. Plus my helmet keeps my bloody head warm
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And it's another piece of kit, and as we know from the rules, it's all about the kit
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Someone told me it's a rule there has to be a new helmet thread every week. Can anyone tell me if this is true?
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PaulC1984 wrote:
...How many people with a brain between their ears would walk up to a rock or tree or icy slope and head but it voluntarily at speed without protection.......
Surely that's common sense?
The word is "butt". Perhaps there's a clue in that.
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PaulC1984 wrote:
How many people with a brain between their ears would walk up to a rock or tree or icy slope and head but it voluntarily at speed without protection.......
Surely that's common sense?
Well, no, it's common sense not to head butt it at all. If, as you say, it's "at speed" the outcome is life-changing and roughly the same - dead or being fed via a tube. And I challenge you to head butt a tree at speed and not cause major internal injuries to the unprotected parts of your body. I have no truck with helmets but I do have cynicism for the way they are promoted as the apex safety feature (by the media and by "snow experts" LOL in stores). They are protection, that's all, the safety feature is the skier/boarder themselves. People have roughly the same IQ as the tree they hit.
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I can't see the lift companies wanting to make helmets compulsory, they are out there to make money and I would not be the only one to simply go elsewhere
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
Giffordpikes wrote:
@stanton, helmets don't kill people, people kill people. Oh hang on I think that's guns according to the NRA - still I laughed at their statement too
For some reason I now have Goldie Looking Chain running through my head
How many people with a brain between their ears would walk up to a rock or tree or icy slope and head but it voluntarily at speed without protection.......
That's one of the stranger arguments I've seen. I imagine not many people would voluntarily do that whether or not they were wearing a helmet. I'd be more concerned about the safety of someone who would voluntarily do that with a helmet on than I would about someone skiing without a helmet.
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swiftoid wrote:
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How many people with a brain between their ears would walk up to a rock or tree or icy slope and head but it voluntarily at speed without protection.......
That's one of the stranger arguments I've seen. I imagine not many people would voluntarily do that whether or not they were wearing a helmet. I'd be more concerned about the safety of someone who would voluntarily do that with a helmet on than I would about someone skiing without a helmet.
Which one would hurt more is my point!
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Wore a helmet for the first time in my life last week (all week), and I found the whole experience very satisfying. Not only can you not notice that you're wearing it (because they are so light), but it kept my head (and ears in particular) very warm, despite there being a wind chill of -20.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Interesting point. With a helmet it might hurt less but you might decide not to seek medical attention and then keel over hours later. Without a helmet it'll probably hurt more but you are more likely to seek medical attention and live. Just playing Devil's advocate but that scenario is quite possible.
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mikeycharlton wrote:
Wore a helmet for the first time in my life last week (all week), and I found the whole experience very satisfying. Not only can you not notice that you're wearing it (because they are so light), but it kept my head (and ears in particular) very warm, despite there being a wind chill of -20.
For me, the experience was very much the opposite, despite my helmet having more vents than any other helmet that I have seen, it was far too hot, even in January, the earpieces are not removable on my helmet so I could not hear what was going on around me and I found it's presence extremely intrusive.
Just had a look at my ski helmet and I've cut two small holes in the earpieces and this feels so much better, I might give it another go this year, the last time I wore it was for about an hour before I had to take it off and put it in my back pack for the rest of the day. how do you stop them itching?, do they itch less if your'e bald? I don't fancy shaving my head just so I can wear a helmet. My motorcycle helmet is not as bad but motorcycling nowhere near as energetic as skiing, recreational motorcycling is only marginally more energetic than sitting on a chair lift. I have ridden motocross bikes around a farm without a helmet and it was far nicer without a helmet but I rode far more cautiously, no standing it on the back wheel at 70mph across the field!
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I'm all for freedom of choice on this. But it always amazes me when people insist their kids wear ski (or cycle) helmets but don't bother themselves. On the basis, I suppose that if the family breadwinner has an unlucky knock and sustains a serious injury the kids will be fine...
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Surely the real question must be.......
If helmet use was made mandatory across all resorts globally (and strictly enforced), are you so anti-helmet that you would stop skiing/boarding?
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or......
If helmet use was banned across all resorts globally (and strictly enforced), are you so pro-helmet that you would stop skiing/boarding?
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@tangowaggon, I'd never buy a helmet without removable ear pieces.
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@dode, A different point of view, but since its never going to happen, my point stands
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PowderAdict wrote:
Surely the real question must be.......
If helmet use was made mandatory across all resorts globally (and strictly enforced), are you so anti-helmet that you would stop skiing/boarding?
I would sneak up there in the dark so me and my beanie mates could cruise around illegally.
While we are being hypothetical, would be good to have helmeted and non-helmeted segregation of runs with equal number of people allowed on each. Then over time we'd be able to see what the death and serious injury rate was for each.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
@PowderAdict, but as we've seen repeatedly, helmet enforcement seems to be creeping into more and more insurance policies (regardless of whether there may or may not be positive/negative effect of injury statistics). Assuming that this trend continues, would you pay a premium, or accept lesser coverage for insurance that didn't stipulate helmet usage in its policy?
Simple straw-poles of looking at the numbers seems to show about 90%-95% wearing them... although an oddity I noted was that the higher you got and the worse conditions got, the more non-wearers I seemed noticed... albeit still in the minority.
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mikeycharlton wrote:
Wore a helmet for the first time in my life last week (all week), and I found the whole experience very satisfying. Not only can you not notice that you're wearing it (because they are so light), but it kept my head (and ears in particular) very warm, despite there being a wind chill of -20.
That's ok this time of year but I did find mine very hot skiing in March. It's also quite hot and heavy for ski touring I now use a Petzl Meator III which is rated for climbing, cycling and water sports when touring.
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Richard_Sideways wrote:
@PowderAdict, but as we've seen repeatedly, helmet enforcement seems to be creeping into more and more insurance policies
Did my homework last December and I'm only aware of 2 - Essential Travel and Insureandgo, although the latter's definition is a bit fuzzy referring to safety equipment. So I don't think its creeping in at all.
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PowderAdict wrote:
Surely the real question must be.......
If helmet use was made mandatory across all resorts globally (and strictly enforced), are you so anti-helmet that you would stop skiing/boarding?
I didn't enjoy skiing while wearing a helmet so, unless there are major improvements to helmets, if I went skiing at all it would only be in January. It was very noticeable that far fewer people were wearing helmets in March compared to Jan / Feb last year
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
@OwenM, Ski touring is a different aspect. Firstly you are usually in the middle of nowhere, so massively reduced 2nd party impact risk, and secondly when ascending at walking pace 99.9% of those touring don't wear a helmet for the up, for both heat and very low risk.
@Pruman, I think helmet use might end up falling into a grey area of 'Safety Equipment' for many polices. I agree with the points above 10 years ago an adult in a helmet was quite rare, now a cable car survey shows those without a helmet being quite rare (maybe a survey at a SnowHeads bash would be completely different ). Insurers might start looking at common practice when assessing claims.
I'm all for freedom of choice on this. But it always amazes me when people insist their kids wear ski (or cycle) helmets but don't bother themselves. On the basis, I suppose that if the family breadwinner has an unlucky knock and sustains a serious injury the kids will be fine...
Hmm I never skied with a helmet when my kids did. As children they have softer skulls and are a lot more likely to crash.
Children have to learn that they are treated differently. I didn't give them intoxicating liquor either despite drinking it myself.
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@stanton, no lifts? What's that big lifty looking thing 10 seconds into the film?
But it always amazes me when people insist their kids wear ski (or cycle) helmets but don't bother themselves.
Sending a mixed message to the kids notwithstanding, I can see quite a few good reason. Perhaps because the parent will not jump off ramps and sneak into trees?
After all, I've skied for several decades BEFORE helmet came to the scene, and I'm still alive! We didn't used to sneak into the forest nor were there any ramps and half pipes back when I was a youngster.
I don't feel strongly about wearing helmet when I'm out cycling on bike paths. But I will wear one when I'm mtn biking in close proximity to tree trunks and branches.
I also don't wear helmets when I'm cooking in the kitchen. Unfortunately, that's where I hit my head the most often, on cupboard that my partner (or myself) left open!
There're many ways we could bang our head and have the light turned off for us. It's everyone's choice WHICH of those scenario they wish to wrap their head in a bit of foam to help their chance. My choice may not fit yours, vice versa.
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After all, I've skied for several decades BEFORE helmet came to the scene, and I'm still alive!
Yeah, exactly.
Re kids - I'd rather take them to a safe skiing environment without a helmet than an icy, worn, crowded home run with a helmet. Adults put their kids in harm's way all the time in big busy resorts, yet think they are being responsible because they've chucked a lid on them. Likewise with bikes - I cringe when I see kids wobbling along behind parents on a busy road. Ok, they've all got helmets on but I always think the parents are idiots for not selecting a better place to bike.
My kids do wear ski helmets (they like it), so does wife but I don't. It's never been an issue.
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pam w wrote:
I'm all for freedom of choice on this. But it always amazes me when people insist their kids wear ski (or cycle) helmets but don't bother themselves. On the basis, I suppose that if the family breadwinner has an unlucky knock and sustains a serious injury the kids will be fine...
Absolutely.
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I also don't wear helmets when I'm cooking in the kitchen. Unfortunately, that's where I hit my head the most often, on cupboard that my partner (or myself) left open!
You should wear a helmet while in the kitchen and in fact all the time. The risk is always there of banging your head into something.
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). Insurers might start looking at common practice when assessing claims.