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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Nice to see the video edited together to show the progress you made during the session 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Nice to see the video edited together to show the progress you made during the session |
+1 well-edited. I thought you did that for him.
It's nice to see the progression coz sometimes we might not see it in ourselves over a period of time / runs.
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franzClammer, so, one minute of skiing footage and seven minutes of pointless failed 360 attempts. I think debutant needs a new mentor! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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franzClammer,
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Have you ever tried stopping a "kid playing with a new toy!"
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Yeah, but do we need to see it??? After the 2 odd hours I spent analysing your lousy posture the other week, that's another 7 minutes of my life you owe me! 
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Raceplate wrote: |
| Get your hands up and wide! Your wrists are supposed to be wider than your elbows and your forearm parallel to the ground. Your elbows should be forward of the line of your rib cage. |
That seems excessively prescriptive, and I'm pretty sure that I rarely carry my arms like that. Providing the skier is able to make effective pole plants should we really care about their arm carriage?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rob@rar,
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That seems excessively prescriptive
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Not really. This is the internet so descriptions have to be thorough to get the message across. If I was teaching him face to face I'd just move his arms into that position as a reference point and let him adapt from there. But this is distance learning so I need to describe it thoroughly instead so he can stand in front of a mirror and work it out for himself. It answers the 3 main questions I get regarding hand/arm position of "how high/wide/far forward should they be?"
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I'm pretty sure that I rarely carry my arms like that
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You may not, but you're an extremely experienced skier who has developed your own effective technique/position. That's fair enough if it's effective.
But franzClammer's an inexperienced skier who clearly has a problem with pole planting and dropping both hands into a narrow position at the end of his turns, which is affecting his balance. He needs a reference point from which to develop and that's my description of the reference arm position I was given on my last BASI refresher.
I actually made a conscious effort to change after that refresher because the Trainer said BASI had changed their opinion on wrist/elbow width. They used to recommend that elbows should be wider than wrists but now they believe it's more effective for wrists to be (just a little) wider than elbows. I made that adjustment to my own stance and it's definitely improved my lateral balance.
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Providing the skier is able to make effective pole plants should we really care about their arm carriage?
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Not if it's effective and producing the desired output. If it isn't effective, you need a basic reference point to start again. Same reason you do any skiing drill. I'd have thought you'd know that 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Im with Rob on this one , hand carriage is the least of FC's problems and in general I think us basi types worry about it too much and it is usually only a secondary issue and rarely a root cause of problems. Heck i can ski with my hands on my head, behind my back, flapping all round and it doesnt make a whole lot of difference... His balance is actually pretty good, a lack of appropriate movements is more the root problem...
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| Raceplate wrote: |
| Not if it's effective and producing the desired output. If it isn't effective, you need a basic reference point to start again. Same reason you do any skiing drill. I'd have thought you'd know that |
I'd focus on the problem (a lack of an effective pole plant) rather than trying to get a skier to adopt a fixed position where joints are in particular position with reference to each other. To me that would replace one fixed position with another, slightly different, fixed position, when what is required is movement. Plenty of drills you can use to help a skier make effective pole plants, but in the first instance they need to make a pole plant on each turn. That's enough to focus on without worrying about whether wrists are outside elbows and whether forearms are parallel to the snow.
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fatbob, for me it's about movement not position, and I wholeheartedly agree that it needs to be specific to the individual.
A chap I trained with last season also said that changing his pole length made a big difference to his bumps skiing, although he went longer than normal and he said it stopped him collapsing at the waist so he was better able to absorb the hits.
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rob@rar, I can see that - my logic was that a longer pole is harder to punch with and more inclined to be left marginally behind, opening the shoulder in the wrong direction and making me progressively later for each turn.
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fatbob, yup, just shows that outside of core technical competence there is plenty of scope for individuality to be apparent in skiing.
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rob@rar, It'd still be a stretch to describe me as core technically competent in moguls. Maybe some soft fluffy ones like in the CSIA video.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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fatbob, me too, if the bumps are very mean. Which is why worrying about arm position is rather pointless.
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Happychap, I am really impressed! My first week or so of skiing was nothing like yours! I spent most of my first learning on my face in snow drifts, or scaring the living daylights out of my companians, for pointing my skis downhill and going for it.
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You know it makes sense.
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franzClammer,
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Have you ever tried stopping a "kid playing with a new toy!"
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Yeah, but do we need to see it??? After the 2 odd hours I spent analysing your lousy posture the other week, that's another 7 minutes of my life you owe me! |
Ok so firstly point taken no more pointless failed 360 vids and secondly
I will now ensure all vids come with a disclaimer,( this is a pointless clip of a novice skier, if watching pointless vids and wasting your time offends you Do NOT WATCH )
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Neraida wrote: |
| Happychap, I am really impressed! My first week or so of skiing was nothing like yours! I spent most of my first learning on my face in snow drifts, or scaring the living daylights out of my companians, for pointing my skis downhill and going for it. |
Thanks for the vote of confidence I am truly unsure how well I am doing, in a sense for me it is all still new and exciting so having an opportunity to compare with others is a nice way of confirming progress,. it seams challenging to get positive critisim on here as it seams most of em are poo-poo hot skiers who must have forgot what's its like starting out at such a late age 😄
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Poster: A snowHead
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Happychap, Are you off again this coming season? Would be interested to see how you've progressed and if you've gained the confidence to loosen up a bit. I enjoyed your video. Any made of me when I first started out would only have been suitable for You've been framed 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I am hopefully off to meribel in jan with franz, yes I would also like to know if these Hemel sessions will actually make a difference out on the slopes, I do feel more confident in myself, deffo more confidence than competence, next trip with my gained confidence and still lack of competence there will be far more you been framed footage I feel lol
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Am looking at beginner lessons at Hemel for a friend at the mo. He's not skiied before, but has been press-ganged into coming out for a week with us this winter. Did you have any lessons there?
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No lesson until the other week with IOS 😊really usefull and it appears I should have had some at the start, would have far few bad habits now lol. I will have some more lessons at Hemel before my next trip so should have so much more fun and less time worrying about crashing in to people or skiing off the side of the mountain or find myself on black runs lol, I really could not snowplough on day one. How long have you been skiing for Neraida.
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You're not alone! I couldn't snow plough at all, it hurt too much.
I have skiied on and off for a long time. Loads as a child, then lived in Greece for years and got hooked on hang-gliding until I left and came to the UK, then back to skiing again.
I found private lessons with a great school whilst on holiday helped me hugely. I still like to go out an instructor for a day or so
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Where are you off this winter I am dictated by annual leave intitlement therefore the opportunity of a week in December can not happen 😢so jan in merribel hopefully for me I am amazed at how addictive it becomes as the skill increases, lol
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January for me too, to Arc 1950, then March. Not decided where for the second trip. Already bouncing off the walls hehehe.
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It will come soon enough in the mean time Hemel is great for a play
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FYI
Inside Out don't usually work with complete beginners
But there are some very competent staff at Hemel that instruct Beginners.
It's much better IMO to get instruction & practice on snow instead of plastic
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| franzClammer wrote: |
FYI
Inside Out don't usually work with complete beginners
But there are some very competent staff at Hemel that instruct Beginners.
It's much better IMO to get instruction & practice on snow instead of plastic |
So does that mean I am not a beginner anymore then as I had a lesson with em a few weeks ago 
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