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The SOS lined jumper revered still by many retailed at £120 in 1988.
The problem for the jumper was the carving ski; most now ski much faster so the wind tears through anything unlined.
I recently sold two SOS SHnd 1987 jumpers in ace condition for £30 and £40 resp. to some knee benders, so they are still prized, but après ski to the restaurant is probably their home now for non free heelers
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Sorry but I wouldn't wear it even if it was free!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Cynic, I got a new (2010) black SOS windstopper jumper with blue/grey triangles, super-warm. Very comfortable to wear and ski in, defo old skool kool to boot! SOS still make them, and infact there's an ebay listing at the moment for BNWT L/XL in grey or blue for £120.
Makes our Mr Jumpers look a tad overpriced, underspeced, and not-quite-got-it.
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Has anyone got any thigh slapping trousers I feel a tyrolian evening coming on?
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Like kat.ryb I expected retro snowflakes. I wish you all the best, but I have to agree they didn't do a lot for me and I really don't like the big badges on the sleeves
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I thought this was going to be a thread about Simon Amman and co... 
Don't knock Aldi - our band leader, a professional trumpeter, regularly plays a trumpet he picked up in Aldi for about 70 squid
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| eng_ch wrote: |
I thought this was going to be a thread about Simon Amman and co...
Don't knock Aldi - our band leader, a professional trumpeter, regularly plays a trumpet he picked up in Aldi for about 70 squid |
It's Toryheads.....of course they are going to knock Aldi !
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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eng_ch, I don't knock ALDI, I've got plenty of their stuff and I like it . . . but it doesn't cost much moolah for mid range quality. So when there's a product that to all intents and purposes has all the retail attraction of their kit but with premium hang tag . . . it's not going to happen. For this product it's all about perceived quality and detail and both appear lacking, however high the materials and workmanship. Why do you think people buy crappy made Spyder knockoffs from eBay at stupid prices?
Any new entry into this market MUST have some form of Unique Selling Point and that has to be visible . . . say sleeves that end in fingerless gloves, D3o armor pockets, electric heating fibers knitted in.
The most obvious thing though is looking at the seasons colourways from the top companies and choosing to make you product complement the new tones and not just produce eyeburning primaries. People will buy products that either complement their gear or go for summat completely OFF the wall like neon pastels. The red and blue are just horrid . . . and in dire need of Cayce Pollard
I'm not even going to touch the logos/badging
EDIT: on reflection snowHeads is probably the worst place on t'interweb to introduce this product . . . and not just 'cos weez a bunch of opinionated buggеrs but we are a very well informed and savvy shopper info sharing bunch of opinionated buggеrs. I hope the OP takes this into account and their friends don't take us to heart 'cos there are lots of consumers out here who won't or don't want to be as informed (cheap) as many of us. We do tend to want multiple ski trips rather than just looking good for a week in Verbier.
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I do like Dale, however, I still have a soft spot for the old school Oxbow ones... especially the early classics with. Hilarious to wear. They do last, too.
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You know it makes sense.
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Not something I'd wear, and certainly not for that price!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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ebay, the few place to find the oldies : EUR20/40
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Poster: A snowHead
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I'm looking for something in the 1930's style to go with my 'new' wooden skis. The Harris tweed plus 8's are a bit scratchy round the nethers but some decent base layers should sort that. Retro is the new 'black' Leather boots too . . . 
You think I jest?
Dale are nice (very) but still too modern
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Masque, Is this to distract us away from the Autumn statement?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Cynic, No, I want to find out if all this new crap we throw at the snow each season is really worth all the hype. Do we actually need the madness of manic psudo development. I'm putting together a package of 30s-40s gear for next season and I'll stick with it. Oh and no modern materials, silk, wool and waxed cotton. Will the 'fun' factor be significantly less fro a recreational skier . . . might look a bit silly on a snowboard though.
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| Masque wrote: |
I'm looking for something in the 1930's style to go with my 'new' wooden skis. The Harris tweed plus 8's are a bit scratchy round the nethers but some decent base layers should sort that. Retro is the new 'black' Leather boots too . . .
You think I jest?
Dale are nice (very) but still too modern |
I do understand that. I have been ski-ing with a wooly-pully I bought in a surplus for more than 15 years until I overgrew it and opted for the then new fleece. A few years after, I was then issued the french version of the wooly-pully and wollen plus-twos assorted with high, thick white wool "bas de laine" as a conscript and criss-crossed the Alps all seasons for nearly two years without any cold/warm issues.
I am sure you are going to do well in your Harris tweed, woolen jumpers and other so-called old fashion clothing items. Enjoy.
I still have a woolen plus-two in size 42 if you want to. Old Craghoppers ones.
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Product, promotion and price do not match. Not that I would buy it for £20 but the product really does look like something you could buy from Lidl, and you do not buy £140 jumpers in Lidl. There are people who would spend £140 on a jumper (I am not one of those people) but you are going to have to try a lot harder to convince people to part with £140 on your jumpers.
Ignoring the deficiencies in the product, the website just isn't good enough for selling a jumper costing £140:
The colour scheme is a plain awful grey
[TBH if you really are going to build your own website then use something like Wordpress, with a suitable chosen theme to match the product - this will help a lot with the look and feel of the site, it will look a lot more professional].
The pictures are hopeless (ie mug shots in front of a wall). If you are trying to sell a 'skiing' product then use suitable images and incorporate the product ---> mountains, snow, people skiing, apres - ie people smiling, having fun, using the product etc.
Logo is terrible.
Just look at the quality of Icebreaker, goretex & arcteryx - the products are awesome and they make their products look awesome with some great marketing and all have fantastic websites.
Sorry, I haven't anything nice to say, I am just saying as I see it.
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| Masque wrote: |
| Cynic, No, I want to find out if all this new crap we throw at the snow each season is really worth all the hype. Do we actually need the madness of manic psudo development. I'm putting together a package of 30s-40s gear for next season and I'll stick with it. Oh and no modern materials, silk, wool and waxed cotton. Will the 'fun' factor be significantly less fro a recreational skier . . . might look a bit silly on a snowboard though. |
Oh Christ, Marsque's going all Didier Cuche on us. Be careful you don't tweak that achilles in those leather boots and on those wooden skis, Masque 
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Chasseur, It's the one I didn't foookoop that hurts when I fartlek and I look good in spats
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Chasseur, I've got the hat, trews, poles, skis . . . better socks . . . that jacket looks a little too Edwardian for comfort. I'm serious, the late 20's, early 30's was the beginning of skiing as a mass (relatively) holiday recreation for people who didn't live near mountains and I want to see just how far we have progressed. I'm not going to state any forethought about the experiment, just see what the differences are.
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 can't wait...
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Masque, Well Didier seemed to do sort of OK with it in that run! Seriously don't forget with regard to your experiment if there aren't loads of photos it didn't happen!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| davkt wrote: |
| Masque, Well Didier seemed to do sort of OK with it in that run! |
Having seen them both ski, that was probably about as close as Masque will ever get.....and it wasn't that close
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| Masque wrote: |
| . . . might look a bit silly on a snowboard though. |
Nah, you don't look that bad
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Masque wrote: |
| Chasseur, I've got the hat, trews, poles, skis . . . better socks . . . that jacket looks a little too Edwardian for comfort. I'm serious, the late 20's, early 30's was the beginning of skiing as a mass (relatively) holiday recreation for people who didn't live near mountains and I want to see just how far we have progressed. I'm not going to state any forethought about the experiment, just see what the differences are. |
Once watched a ski show where a small team of instructors went back through the ages. They looked great to begin with but it got worse and worse. By the time they reached the leather boots and skis without much metal they looked like beginners.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Wool and silk are increasingly the choice instead of 100% modern materials, aren't they. 20 years ago it was polyester everything. Now you can get wool fleece. Wool thermals. And frankly, I ski in wool jumpers.
You'll really notice the difference comparing a breathable jacket with waxed cotton. Otherwise I doubt there's much in it for the underlayers. And when you sit down in the snow, the difference between your tweed and goretex trousers will really begin to show.
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James the Last, it depends on the density of the weave . . . do some research . . . the idea behind Gortex didn't fall out of the blue. The concept was/is 60+ years old
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Masque, How about ventile?
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davkt, exactly
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Let's get this straight - you are deliberately going to handicap yourself with outdated equipment and clothing that even if it performs at the same level will be heavy as f**k, and spend good money doing so rather than just raiding a charity shop? There truly must be no other challenges left in snowsports.
Personally I'd just get a sled and get into highmarking or other known deathsport.
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However I do have a theory that I've been exploring over the last couple of seasons in that if you put someone who's skied on modern kit they will try to ride the old stuff in the same way and fail. The skier has to adapt to the equipment and that's where I'm going with this. That timeframe is when edges, both steel and wood started to be added to skis and I've found someone who can make wooden skis with Lignum edges and as long as a ski is 'free running' with good wax it's astounding how hard they can be driven with the right technique . . .
