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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Whats one of those? And why............are you a pro? If so it seems a tad wierd that you know so little about them, when just about everyone on SH rates them. I have 191 Redeemers and they rip...............get out on them and give them a bash is my best advice.
You'll certainly find them different to the other ones in your quiver based on thos photos. Is this your first venture off piste, the others are on piste carver/ race skis aren't they 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Markymark29 wrote: |
| get out on them and give them a bash is my best advice. |
Mind and put bindings on first though
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I work as a Ski Instructor and Guide.
Lots of Ski companies offer people who work in the Industry, Pro Deals, where you are able to purchase your tools for the trade at a greatly reduced price.
For example this year if you are CSIA qualified, you can get 'Pro Deals' through Blizzard, Tecnica,Alpina, Rossignol, Dynastar etc,etc...just to name a few.
I only know what i've heard about them through other skiers who own them, and what i've read on the internet.
All good tbh...that's why i went for them.
I've never had the opportunity to try them out before, but needed some big all mountain skis for my work this year.
I won a place originally as one of the 'Dots Dozen' but after they read my resume, they offered me a pro deal instead. 
I try to ski everyday 'offpiste' and last year i was using various 'All Mountain' Skis... Scott, Salomon, K2 and Kastle.
They were all Test skis. The reason being I am mainly Race Orientated and just took two pairs of skis out with me to use.
A slalom set that i used mainly to teach on and race occasionally. The other GS skis for Racing only.
3 pairs would cost a fortune to transport. But this year i'm going to bite the bullet and pay the extra for the priveledge.
I'm really looking forward to giving them a bash.
I considered the Redeemers...but I'm under the impression the Preachers are good for edge hold on piste as well. That's what i've been told anyway. Also from what i've read, the Preachers prefer a skier to lean forward and push them...which will suit my racing style more.
Thanks for the positive post...encouraging 
This year I wanted to buy some to use.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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shoogly, Ha! 
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Where you based Spud?
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I'm in the UK.
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Sorry, where do you instruct and guide?
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spud, Nice, but hey maybe you have got the Preachers the wrong way round for this seasons design 
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I was in Canada last year.
I've yet to decide where i'm going to go this year. Canada again or Japan, France are other options.
What about yourself?
Do you use Whitedots?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The logo on the tips line up to create a left and right ski, in the picture your white tips do not line up, therefore left and right ski
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You know it makes sense.
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the graphics spud, the graphics. you need to line the wee bits of white up so as they blend into each other. swap the skis round.
They're designed to be skied that way
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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spud,
I have both Preachers and Redeemers (and hopefully this year will be adding a few more to the collection  ).
They are as you'd expect, very different.
The Preachers are a fairly conventional ski with a giant shovel and a fair amount of shape. They sort of ski like a fat cheater GS ski, but obviously not quite as sharp edge to edge. They are softish (particularly if you're used to sking race skis!) but still manage to be stable at speed (tested that!). Where I find they work best is in variable snow conditions, particularly crusty snow which becomes a whole lot easier
One thing I did do almost straight away after half scaring myself to death skiing a fairly routine steep on them the first time out, was to detune the tips and tails a bit (don't tell spyderjon! ) as they were too grabby for my liking. After doing that went back and did it again - worked just fine!
Redeemers are completely different, and yes, as you note, there is a slight technique adjust required. They are a big, bad-ass, powder ski, however the rocker and shape (not quite in the conventional shape way) makes them super maneouverable and predictable. On harder stuff (if you have to ski that ) they work like short skis so actually have pretty decent edge grip - obviously not like a race ski, though in fact I did ski a GS course with them; this highlighted the slight downside in the raised tips and tails so as you'd expect make the ski a little unstable at speed on hardpack, but then again I don't really like skiing my race skis in powder/trees/steeps 
Personally I'm not a super big fan of lots of sidecut, so out of preference I'd ski on the Redeemers all the time - fortunately the snow here last year allowed that! (edit. from your location last year guess you know that!)
Not trying to ma ke you wish you'd gone for the Redeemers, though of course you should get some of those as well The Preacher is a good ski, but I really like my Redeemers
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Poster: A snowHead
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| spud wrote: |
I was in Canada last year.
I've yet to decide where i'm going to go this year. Canada again or Japan, France are other options.
What about yourself?
Do you use Whitedots? |
Heading out to Hokkaido next month for my 6th winter in and around the Niseko Resort Area.
Trained at Kicking Horse.
Who did you instruct and guide for in Canada?
The Whitedots look great and heard nothing but good about them.
But they're a bit big for my liking. Prefer an all-mountain ski with a waist width < 86 mm
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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but I _really_ like my Redeemers
+1. Agree entirely with your comments, I cant stop laughing with them on, just such fun. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Had some preachers last year and found them fantastic, obviously best in powder, can be hard on the knees on a hard piste;)
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I have the Whitedot Ones in a 173.
Pretty good all-rounder, very happily ski off piste in anything I've thrown at them, and lots of fun in the park and going switch (I use schizo bindings for this sort of thing). OK on piste but nothing more as they are not amazing carvers, but far happier to slide around. Relatively soft, and pretty forgiving. Utterly horrid on tough hardpack or ice - simply too chattery and unstable. The problem with the latter is that the edge design (no bevel - just straight sandwiching of the laminate ski and steel edge) means that giving them anything less than a 90 degree angle isn't easy (IMHO) - and so they can be a little unstable at speed on hardpack, given their softness and lightness.
I supplement mine with some old, heavy Atomic piste things for icy days!
Overall, a very good ski, comparable to something like a Line Prophet, but definitely a compromise in most situations. As a one quiver ski, a great choice - with the caveat that they really don't like the ice unless edge tuned to an inch of their life - something which the edge design actually makes tricky.
This isn't a negative review - I love these skis and will ride them until they die, and most probably replace them with another pair. I suspect the Preacher is less compromised, being more designed as a poweder/off-piste beast.
One thing about the WD Ones - beautiful design, and stunning build quality, and awesome service from White Dot; excellent people to deal with, really excellent. Skis look and feel like they cost a lot more than they do, and the company treats you as if you're paying a lot more - reasons they have a customer for life here.
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For Preachers get forward and ski them hard.
Redeemers try not to have too much fun - it upsets the other shmoos. Also make sure you get them out in corn season you'll still be skiing at 4pm when everyone else has jacked in at 1.
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Hi spud! I also have the Preachers! Good choice! I never ever use my smaller ski's anymore. Powder, fiddling around with my kids on blue runs and even a carve training on hard pack: all on Preachers and it went all really good. As jbob said: you need to have your leg muscles in good form or you'll hurt your knees as it just takes more effortto get them on their edges. When hiking backcountry: they are not too heavy, especially considering the huge amount of ski you are carrying...
I am really happy with them and for me it is the perfect 1 ski quiver for all circumstances.
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| Harry Flashman wrote: |
| .....Utterly horrid on tough hardpack or ice - simply too chattery and unstable. The problem with the latter is that the edge design (no bevel - just straight sandwiching of the laminate ski and steel edge) means that giving them anything less than a 90 degree angle isn't easy..... |
Whitedot's were originally spec'd to have a 3 degree side edge (as per the label on the ski) but the production was shipped by the factory with a 1 - which is a shame as their build quality in all other respects is excellent.
However it's really easy sort them for great edge hold on hardpack. If you DIY tune then a quick trim back of the sidewall & reset the side edge angle to 3 dgrees (=87) & you're good to go or take them to a decent shop ( ) & get 'em to do it for you.
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Boredsurfing, hopefully so, we only signed a French distributor relatively recently. Last season was their first, but things look very positive with a doubling of numbers for the coming season.
I think if every region can consistently double every year for the foreseeable future we can actually attain total global domination' and then we can all retire to our secret island base to stroke white cats and chuckle maniacally.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I think me and spud must have been the lucky two from the UK. Just ordered my Preachers yesterday cannot wait for them to arrive! How long did yours take to come once purchased spud
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Boredsurfing, I'm pretty sure we are in Vieux Campeur this season, hopefully that will help with awareness.
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You know it makes sense.
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midgetbiker, Is that the one behind the furniture shop in Albertville? I didn't realise they sold ski's 
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Boredsurfing, don't be fooled by the name
They have a fantastic choice of skis and associated kit so very dangerous to visit with a credit card in hand.........
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Poster: A snowHead
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Roger C, yes, that's the shop I mean, there's about 40-50 of them around France, one of which may be behind the furniture shop in Albertville, but then I'm (fairly) sure Boredsurfing is just winding me up 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Actually if you look at the Google street view of the Albertville Au Vieux Campeur then there is a Fly Meubles/Decoration across the road, so maybe not.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Re : demos - I skied some 179 Preachers out of Flaine Sport last Xmas - They seemed to hold a variety of the models, not sure their plans for the coming year. They are the Foret level , right on the Eastern end by the Grand Vans lift/bus drop.
My only comment - needed longer for me at 184 cm and 100 kg. (ps really wish ski reviews included height/weight/skill -at least 2 of those are gonna be correct!)
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mishmash, I'ld have definately recommended a 189 Preacher for someone of your build. The length in itself would have suited you better, but also the flex pattern of the 189 suits a bigger or more aggressive skier too.
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That's not a pop at Flaine Sport at all, it's great they supply demos and they simply can't carry every size and model, so best to carry the most popular size (which is the 179).
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In other news - how do you feel about these guys - even got the teardrop shaped logo, when I saw them in teh slush & rubble catalogue I first thought you were doing a retailer exclusive
http://www.white-doctor.com/en/
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| midgetbiker wrote: |
| mishmash, I'ld have definately recommended a 189 Preacher for someone of your build. The length in itself would have suited you better, but also the flex pattern of the 189 suits a bigger or more aggressive skier too. |
Sure , I picked them out , they didn't big them up to me - only it had just snowed(again..) and I was getting buried on my 189 Scott Crusades. Lesson learnt : don't be afraid of going longer/larger.
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fatbob, Saw that too, surprised me that hey can have such a close name and logo to WD.
midgetbiker, mrs MM29 very happy with her quiver and ready to hit the pow.......carbons for her OH next season!
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Boredsurfing, I'm thought I was the only person skiing on Whitedots in La Plagne (maybe Paradiski?) last season but it turns out they started stocking them in a shop in Plagne Centre. I can't remember the name but it's the small shop with a lot of funky kit beside Iglu Iglu and the local produce shop. I saw a pair of Redeemers out in the fresh snow we had in April and think it was a test pair from there.
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fatbob, yes we have noticed this. They used to be Ride Doctor. Now they have a teardrop logo, a new (to them) name and are pushing out of their roots in France. I don't know, I guess we start to get worried when they go for the shorter: White Doc. Still they say imitation is.............
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I will...I got the Tyrolia Peak 18 X's in Camo... Reckon they'll go sweet with them 
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