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| fatbob wrote: |
For anyone interested Sunshine's side of the story now filed in court
http://ramzee.net/Files/SSVDefence.pdf
Not going to pick it apart but some of it looks like it could be trivial - condoning material denigrating to women = allowing a Lange Gril poster in a patrol hut? Soliciting gifts - getting given a free hat? |
So, they've "known" about all of these things but have employed him since the mid 80s. By their claims, it seems like they've had enough just cause to fire him prior to this episode - so why didn't they?
I'm guessing they only need to make one of those allegations stick and they have him fired and fined for losses and court costs?
A sad sad affair and i think with so many places to ski in western Canada, i'll be avoiding Sunshine in future. Sad really.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Shimmy Alcott, it makes reasonably easy reading...
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| Bones wrote: |
I know we wil just drive straight past sunshine if we head over there again - theres better and friendlier places to ski  |
+1
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Someone has now started a monitoring group holding SSV to account over its behaviour as lessee of public (NP) lands. Not hard to see the angle they're coming from
http://sunshinevillagewatch.com/about/
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Looks like its shs job to keep the flame burning then?
Considering a ski vacation at Sunshine Village, Banff?
Consider also safety record.
Sunshine Ski Patrollers fired.
Sunshine suppress free comment on websites hosted in another country.
If I am going to the Ski Big 3 I will boycott Sunshine Village in favour of Lake Louise.
How's that legal eagles?
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fatbob, The Scurfields' big mistake was in not getting a super-injunction, then nobody could have known anything about the incident! 
Seriously though, I skied at Sunshine Village a few years ago, but based on the statements and conduct of both sides to the dispute I've judged that if I'm back in the Banff area I too will boycott Sunshine Village unless and until it has new owners.
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fatbob, Faceboook still has coverage.
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You know it makes sense.
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achilles,  Fb? Where's my friend request?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| achilles wrote: |
| fatbob, Faceboook still has coverage. |
Zuckerberg's mob probably perfectly of telling SSV they can get stuffed and with deeper pockets SSV probably can't get their bullying tactics to work. I understand why the US websites have caved but its not exactly improving SSV's standing by trying to suppress comment and kill "bad PR" entirely of their own making. There seem to be plenty of locals in Banff willing to stand on the side of the patrollers, not so many speaking up for Sunshine and this Giggsesque behaviour is hardly making them look any better.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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We are looking to get married in one of the resorts near Banff - will be sure not to chose Sunshine!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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junitrules, aw, congrats
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junitrules, Lake Louise would be a far better location IMO.
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Thanks Shimmy
Yeah we're looking at Lake Louise and Norquay (thought a small resort might be quieter and therefore better suited)
Anything but Sunshine, from reading this post! I've never been out to Canada skiing, not sure what I'm looking forward to the most
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Bump for the latest skirmish and textbook example of a Director of Communications failing to communicate anything meaningful:
Powder Mag article referencing the cease and desist behaviour: http://www.powdermag.com/stories/making-locals-jaded/
Sunshine's response: http://www.powdermag.com/stories/re-making-locals-jaded/
My 2p is that Firby doesn't really understand that you deal with social media issues by engaging with it openly and honestly or you go old-school scorched earth lawyered-up to restore your reputation. What you probably shouldn't do is the lawyered up approach with little openness while whining that the internet is being unfair to you in the interim.
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Interesting response but I do struggle to believe them this late in the saga. It just does not ring true and they know it really. Trying to bring in other innocents that are hurt in the actions is pointless as that will always be an issue if they cant run the whole mountain. Other people will loose money.
How many people actually believe "rich boy" mouths off; daddy backs him up - could not happen. 1% maybe doh. Maybe they all regret it but to try and say it did not happen is just silly.
This and canceling the busses must have put a huge dent in figures for last season. Which was the worst decision?
I think I am still allowed to personally choose where I go and I am not going there. That is a personal choice you all can choose where you want to go.
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fatbob, thanks for posting those links.
I guess it will all come out when it hits the courts!
Great shame. One of the best places i've skied - not as good as Lake Louise though 
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My 2p is that Firby doesn't really understand...
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I think he totally gets it but is necessarily having to act under advice. Like he says, it'll all come out at trial. If I ran that business and if I had Ralph Scurfield's considerable assets I wouldn't allow the tail to wag the dog either. I think the response is spot on.
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Must admit I am not keen on trial by internet. I'm a little lost on this one; have the dismissals been contested at employment tribunals - or whatever the Canadian equivalent is?
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
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My 2p is that Firby doesn't really understand...
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I think he totally gets it but is necessarily having to act under advice. |
Fair enough I'm sure that's the case but I don't understand how his response can hope to paint SSV in a favourable light as it just provides a further platform for comments which don't seem to be doing him much good in burying the issue. Plus there's some fairly transparent and irrelevant advertorial thrown into the mix rather than directly addressing the points in the original article.
I don't particularly agree with trial by internet either but fortunately in this case we have court filings giving each side's version of the facts to the original event(s) and anyone who's spent time in a ski resort can see which side they are inclined to believe. The cease & desist stuff is something else which is creating a whole different PR issue for them in my book. I'd be interested in asking him why they haven't issued a cease and desist against Facebook (or if they have but Facebook have ignored it)- because they're too big to be bullied?
achilles - the court docs higher up the thread show the statements to employment court.
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I don't understand how his response can hope to paint SSV in a favourable light
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the only favourable light they will care about is that of the 000s of holiday skiers who pay hard cash to ski in the Banff Lake Louise area. Sunshine is a vital part of the attraction there and Joe and Josephine Public won't give a hoot about a local employment dispute. As time goes by the locals will get bored of it too.
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Bode Swiller, many people read up on the internet before they go on a vacation, and after having limited the exposure by deleting the thread on TGR now the response in Powder only gave way to the negative responses commenting the press release. Furthermore, this is also a safety issue, that many people do care about, and finally, i doubt that poeple in a small community will get bored very quickly (this has to be the best scandal they've had in a long time)
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You know it makes sense.
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fatbob, so a defence was filed 14 March. That seems a long time ago, I wonder when the case will come to court.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Bumpity
Some counterclaim and defence docs filed by one of the fired patrollers
P25 to P30 include some doozies about ownership culture, including a dig at the owner over the circumstances of his father's death.
http://ramzee.net/Files/ConwayDefence.pdf
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Funny, I was just wondering what had happened with this, after the TO guiding ruling. A timely bump 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Having read p25 to p30, that behaviour is the sort that results from too much powder
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fatbob, Thanks for that I was wondering what had happened; little did I imagine that it was still going on. Boy are the Lawyers happy people I guess.
Is there any published attendance figures for Sunshine ?
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Does anyone have a link to the latest judgments since SSV's request for a confidentiality order was denied back in 2011? I don't see how there could be nothing since then?
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Have to admit that after all the press when it started it fell off my list to visit so I've not looked or thought about it since.
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I searched the internet and the Alberta Courts' website (http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/) and there hasn't been any conclusion reached (that I can find) in the original unfair dismissal group claim, the misjoinder action or the counterclaims against Chevalier / Conway by SSV and by the owner's son.
Odd given that the latest judgment (excluding that on confidentiality) focuses on the expediency of the process (http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/jdb/2003-/qb/civil/2011/2011abqb0544.pdf) and ends with K.R Laycock stating:
"The plaintiffs’ application must be filed and served within 30 days of the release of this decision and arrangements be made to have the matter heard by me as soon thereafter as possible. I would then consider the application for amendment and its impact on this application."
Would be grateful if anyone knows anything... did they settle out of Court?
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| Entick wrote: |
| Does anyone have a link to the latest judgments since SSV's request for a confidentiality order was denied back in 2011? I don't see how there could be nothing since then? |
ramzee.net has the court documents, obtained by a private individual from the court under public information rights AIUI.
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ramzee.net has the court documents, obtained by a private individual from the court under public information rights AIUI.
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They have nothing since the hearing I quote above... from 2011...
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Entick, I know no more than that guy has collated but if there had been anything else formally decided I would have expected it to show up on TGR given that were one of the recipients of the "cease & desists".
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