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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I didn't think you could transfer season passes.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Completely illegal as the passes are non-transferable of course!
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What else can they think of to sell on Ebay??? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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illegal, yes, but do you think he's going to advertise that?
It makes you wonder *why* t's illegal - after all only one person can use a si pas at any onetime
then you reliase it's so tour ops don't buy one pass per bed, instead they have to buy a pass per occupant, which brings in muchmore cash
I remember checking out lift pass prices for canada last year andyou *could* buy a trasferable season pass, aimed primarily at businessesso they could treat clients - but the price was about 3 times that of a regular season pass!
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nbt, for 3 years I had a season pass for Winter Park, because it was cheaper than buying 2x 1 week passes. (they did a "Buddy pass" - if 4 people bought season passes together, it worked out cheaper)
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someone came up to me trying to sell a Mürren lift pass a couple of weeks ago, bizarrely for more than the face value 
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ise, clearly from the ebay generation
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A middle-aged Dutch woman actually.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Be careful, the PDS hands free system is provided by Team Axess. As is typical your photo is encoded onto the liftpass and flashes up on monitors along with your face as you pass through PdS lifts. The penalities are large if you are caught, I think around 1000 quid plus a year's ban from skiing in France.
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Illegal? I doubt it. A civil matter, I'm sure. Mind you, it is France, so you might find the gendarmes breathing down your neck. My guess is that the worst penalty would be loss of the pass.
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Excuse, may be I am missing something here.
Do we not expect a forum of this kind to have nothing to do with illegal activities? What the members do in private is strictly for themselves. But in the open and in the Internet should be publicly condone something which clearly against the law?
I expect our moderator to jump in by now.
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You know it makes sense.
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we're neither condoning nor opposing - merely voicing our opinnions, which shouldn't be a problem at all. too muchof this "what if someone objects" mentality around these days.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I certainly don't condone illegal activity. snowHeads have pointed out that this is illegal and that the penalties for transgression are high.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Fri 18-03-05 10:38; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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richmond, I think you will find that it is illegal, something to do with fraud, you would be passing yourself off as someone else
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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> Illegal? I doubt it.
"L'absence de titre de transport ou l'usage d'un titre non conforme ou falsifié, constaté par un agent assermenté de l'exploitant est passible d'une amende forfaitaire dont le montant est fixé à cinq fois la valeur du titre, conformément à la législation en vigueur."
And that's just if you get stopped in France. You don't want to know what the Swiss will do to you.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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When they introduced the electronic card system in St Anton , Ski bums used to share one Pass . One would get on the lift then drop his pass down at as the Lift leaves the station so the next Ski Bum could use it
Needless to say, the lift company adjusted the s/w so theres a time limit on your card ie; once through the control gate it wont open another gate for 5-10 minutes ( the time your on the lift ) .
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The vendor of this pass is obviously a lune - ebay are undoubtedly obliged to pass on his identity to the authorities (Inspector Knacker of the Yard, if we're to believe Private Eye magazine) if asked to do so.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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D G Orf, well, selling the pass on Ebay may or maynot be illegal. There's "technically" no harm in actually selling the pass and for someone to purchase it, so long as the transaction isn't intended to result in the purchaser then running off and using it (for example the purchaser might just be a bit potty and likes collecting Morzine season lift passes).
But the wording of the seller at least implies that, at once the pass has been sold on, some dodgy dealings are expected to occur, and I'm surprised Ebay hasn't knocked this on the head already.
The seller certainly indicates that she expects the purchaser to use the pass and that she knows that in order for the purchaser to do so they would have to be involved in what's loosely termed identity fraud, so she's actually advertising purchase of the pass for id fraud purposes. Involvement in Id fraud is illegal in any country.
Although I haven't seen the lift pass operators T&Cs, they're most likely to have specific terms limiting transfer of season lift passes. The lift co will certainly impose their own penalties if they find id fraud is going on. Resorts I've been to with electronic pocket passes often randomly ask you pull it out for inspection to confirm that the face on the card matches the face of the carrier.
One can only hope that Ebay chuck this loon off soon and/or, if someone buys the pass and uses it, that they get picked up by the lift co & fined massively. 
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The penalities are large if you are caught, I think around 1000 quid plus a year's ban from skiing in France.
Hello all, I am a new member. just checking that my username works primerily
Just a quick question... Is it possible to receive a ban from a whole countries ski resorts?Do they have the infrastructure to follow this through?
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ginger winger, not sure but they can ban you from a country, they just check your passport when you try to get in, welcome to snowheads by the way
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ginger winger, welcome to Snowheads!
Hmmm. dunno for sure, myself. I would expect there's infrastructure in France to do it, but I don't think they do. Something makes me think your question has been raised on this forum before and that the general consensus was that even within the same local area inside a country most resorts don't particularly like sharing customer information....
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Am I not right that in some resorts although your pass is hands-free, an image of the user is linked and pops up in the pisteurs cabin display?
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Am I not right that in some resorts although your pass is hands-free, an image of the user is linked and pops up in the pisteurs cabin display?
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Have been to Soll and Sestriere where they use the electronic "handsfree" passes but I never saw any indication that such systems were in place there. Obviously can't speak for other resorts.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Nick L wrote: |
| Am I not right that in some resorts although your pass is hands-free, an image of the user is linked and pops up in the pisteurs cabin display? |
erm... see post above where I explained how Axess system which PdS uses works.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I think it depends on the system. I have a Snowpass Swatch and download my pass for Serre Che on the internet. Obviuosly theres no photo, so it can't therefore be illegal for anyone else to use it. BUt it would depend on the Ts and Cs I suppose. I think SC use SKiData, which is used by quite a few Austrian resorts too.
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Yes, this is the interesting thing. As you say, Ski Data's system - widely used - seems not to care tuppence if you hand your pass to someone else during the day etc.
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You know it makes sense.
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How the hell could they use your photo for id when you are usually wrapped up with goggles, hat, collar up etc? hehehe 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| D G Orf wrote: |
| richmond, I think you will find that it is illegal, something to do with fraud, you would be passing yourself off as someone else |
Oh yeah, you're probably right.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Have you seen the quality of photographs you get on a season pass. I can not recognise myself from the photo (although I vaguely remember it being taken).
And how many folk pass through the gates per hour at some of these lifts? Can't this be as much as 2400 per hour? 1.5 seconds per photo displayed on the screen is not much time to make a decision is it?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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OK, so the issue comes down to honesty.The ski lift companiies sells season passes relatively cheaply I presume on the basis of the average amount a season holder would actually use their pass.If lots of people started transferring/selling/sharing their pass then lift pass prices would have to go up for the ordinary punter,I suspect if you wanted to buy a half used pass you'd get away with it,but most people are too honest to do that.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Soooo , , , what’s being sold?
Is it access to the lift system or is it a license for a single individual to use the lift system.
The rules seem to be arbitrary and subject to the whims of the lift companies as David at Traxvax will confirm. This year he had to add additional business responsibilities to his local status just to get season passes for himself and his staff. The purchase of his local lift infrastructure by another company changed the rules for everyone in La Roz. and changed the pricing structure.
I’m not persuaded that selling on the remains of a season pass is immoral, technically illegal perhaps, but immoral?
However I don’t accede to abusing the system where more than one person uses the same pass, that’s just plain theft.
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I think the economics will go round a circle. If the lift companies can't make the season pass stick, can't control it and suffer financially they could withdraw the season pass or go bust.
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