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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stoatsbrother, Who's being touchy now? So it is a experienced skier only thread??? Will anyone else be permitted to water down the 'quality' of the advice of the select few? 
For those that dont know, Megamum (Julia) is my girlfriend but I always leave her to defend herself. No help needed there.  I was just responding to heavy handed comments, I'm surprsed no one has yet asked "use the search function" 
BTW, to clarify matters, I'm not a ski company rep, employee of Elan or Rossignol so no axe to grind other than offering some well meaning advice. Oh yes and I've been skiing since 1978, if that's any guage of whether i'm worthy enough to post my comments. Must go, skis to edge and wax... but finally....
steveburles Back to the question in hand
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| steveburles, ........I'm currently on some Rossi 9X oversizes, which are 80mm underfoot and very, very fast in all respects. OK, they're not slalom ski fast edge to edge, but work very well for an all mountain ski. ...... |
My current ski of choice is the the same model Rossi 9X oversize 170cm, and I concur with these comments. If you want a more nimble ski you could try the 9S version? We used both the 9X and 9S in VT in Dec 2008 and they were excellent.
If Megamum decides to give up skiing and go back her goats i'd be more than happy to take on the Magfires!
TTFN
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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BMF_Skier, Hear hear
I was just composing a comment on stoatsbrother's rather patronising post when your post arrived so I will say no more.
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stoatsbrother,
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I suspect the original poster may not be aware of just how very very early you are in your skiing career,
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Since a) her comments were expressly based on what she'd read, not what she'd skied and b) her implication that she wasn't an experienced skier was also very clear, the OP would have to be fairly dim to misunderstand the position. CEM's point is an entirely different one, and perhaps a valid one, though it seems to me that the OP could, without anyone else's advice on the matter, simply have discounted Megamum's sources of information, had he wished to do so. I would also suggest that the experienced skiers on here, with strong views on equipment, have no difficulty in getting their voices heard above other babble.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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stoatsbrother, I suggest you re-read exactly what I have written - at no point did I disguise my early level of skiing and make any claims that what I was posting was on the back of my own experience, which it clearly was not. In point of fact it is my purogative as a member of SH's to post anything I like (within the terms and conditions of site content).
The day I start making false claims and giving advice I clearly can't support Is the day you might all have reason to take issue with me, but whilst I state clearly why I have said something and the reasons for a viewpoint or suggestion - in this case from what I have read elsewhere, then I still feel it is a valid contribution.
What makes me or anyone else incapable of being able to suggest a ski that someone might like to look at on the basis of research - there is loads of information out there?
Everyone has their own favourite skis and these might well not suit the skiing style of the poster asking the question - at least research based on a number of different sources has the advantage of taking into account the opinions of several different sources and that makes for better science than a single opinion of someone talking about their own personally favoured ski. N.B. That is generally accepted scientific principle rather than my own opinion. In fact those people talking recommending their own personally favoured ski could be argued as providing as biased advice on their preference as was claimed for the article I linked to.
This is a free forum - if I wanted to pretend to be a topclass bootfitter no-one could stop me. However, I won't do that as that could cause real problems which is more than a few posts here have done - esp. as I have said nothing in relation to a recommendation that I've claimed on the back of my own experience.
B.t.w. far from suggesting that I am getting 'touchy' I respectfully suggest that the high and mighty 'experienced' skiers on here that have taken issue with my contribution might well be accused of the same. Rather than take issue with me if you don't want less experienced skiers posting where you feel they shouldn't then I suggest you petition Admin for an 'experts only by invitation den' to keep us riff raff out. Until then I will continue to post if I think I’ve something useful to add.
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Megamum, for the sake of fairness, while I agree with what you've said, CEM's complaint was, very specifically, that you hadn't complied with the request in the thread title. Which, so far as it goes, is true. But it's not as though you will have been the first to go off topic, nor that you didn't make your position clear from your first post - you did.
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Megamum, you should not have posted at all. Just read the topic name.
This section of the forum becomes useless if information is offered by people who don't have the experience to back it up. The OP can use Google himself to find reviews of skis.
Only a few weeks ago you were offering odd advice on pole length despite having admitted you didn't use your poles properly.
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what i know is that for the time being i won't bother to offer any further advice on this site... there you go, happy, another poster by the way side
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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BMF_Skier, you will notice I did not criticise you offering an opinion on skis. But your response to CEM was silly.
CEM, sorry to hear that. I value your contributions hugely and you did the right thing on this thread.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Megamum, you should not have posted at all. Just read the topic name.
This section of the forum becomes useless if information is offered by people who don't have the experience to back it up. The OP can use Google himself to find reviews of skis.
Only a few weeks ago you were offering odd advice on pole length despite having admitted you didn't use your poles properly. |
You a moderator now, Stoatsbrother? I think not!
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You know it makes sense.
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| what i know is that for the time being i won't bother to offer any further advice on this site... there you go, happy, another poster by the way side |
That's a shame. I don't question the validity of what you posted, just thought it was a bit harsh, since Megamum's post wasn't actually misleading, only O/T. Seems a bit unnecessary to flounceo off, in the circumstances. It's not as though you don't garner, on a constant basis, heaps and heaps of well-deserved praise.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Megamum,
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I think the 'experts' on here ought to go skiing and ease off some of their frustrations. Relax folks - its only an internet forum!!
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I was skiing today and was frustration free until I read this chain. I thought that you made it abundantly clear in your original post that you thought you weren't at the level of the OPer but I understood that you felt you had something to add to the chain having recently done all the research and selected skis yourself.
It's my view that the posters on here are bang out of order in haranging you for having something to say.
CEM, perhaps all those smelly feet you have to suffer are starting to get to you. As megamum says - relax!
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Poster: A snowHead
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BMF_Skier, no I am not a moderator. But that doesn't mean I cannot point out when your GF is posting irrelevant stuff on the basis of no personal valid experience - although I have managed to restrain myself from doing this many times before. This is one area of the forum where - for it to be useful - people should actually bother to read the question. I don't think you do your GF any favours by coming to her defence, and I only responded when you and others criticised CEM. Well done there...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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stoatsbrother, IMO you are out of order, but there you go, you think the same about me so I doubt that means anything to you.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stoatsbrother, I have defended no one in particular, just anyone's right to post here (including mine) without being berated in very personalised responses.
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If anyone was worried about the thread being cocked up in the first instance it has definitely become a shit show now.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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would some one who is seasoned care to define "seasoned" please as i am very confused by all this, is it age or time spent on slopes or time spent buying skis or ability or what 
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arv, agreed. But the useful info in this section of the site can be diluted by well-meaning piffle.
Megamum, if someone requested an opinion from a "seasoned goat-breeder" and I posted "I know nothing about goats but I can use a search engine..." you would be right to criticise me. I only entered this thread because I was annoyed at seeing your BF have a go at CEM - a real expert - for rightly taking you to task.
Neilski, in megamum's case - it is total time spent on the internet, I suspect. 
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What a crazy thread. A 'seasoned' skier could mean so many things. Surely advice from all sources is no bad thing. If the OP is fully 'seasoned' he or she will be able to tell without a problem which advice is the most pertinent.
Some people need to ditch the high horses for a moderately sized pony I believe.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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queen bodecia, the trouble is the really useful contributors get put off. And I think it is pretty clear to anyone but a complete twit that the OP did not want the experience of people who were neither good skiers nor had tried the skis he mentioned.
Again - seen the same with people asking for medical advice - specifically from medics - and megamum chips in her halfpenny worth.
The bottom line is her BF's response has alienated one of the most useful contributors to this area of the forum.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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stoatsbrother, well ain't I just a thorn in your side? Tough luck mate - I ain't about to throw my dummy out of the pram like some - like it or lump it I'm here to stay.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Neilski wrote: |
| would some one who is seasoned care to define "seasoned" please as i am very confused by all this, is it age or time spent on slopes or time spent buying skis or ability or what |
Funnily enough, I was wondering that. What made me think of it was realising that BMF Skier and I have been skiing for a similar number of years, but I suspect him of a being a good skier, whilst I ain't.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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It seems to me that this is what internet forums are all about. No matter what the OP says, all posters are able to post whatever they want and whoever they may be.
There are no rules that can be enforced to change this. And it is then up to anyone reading the forum to decide which posts are worth reading and which aren't.
I for one always scan the left side of the posts to see if any experts are posting, and will pay much more attention to them than to any others. CEM is at the top of my list of who to pay attention to, and I hope he re-thinks his decision to keep his expertise from those of us who value it and use Snowheads to find it.
Having said that, non-experts can offer valuable advice from time to time too. Even me!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The OP is a big boy - he can sort the wheat from the chaff as he sees fit.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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For what it's worth, I agree with CEM and stoatsbrother. The OP specifically asked for info from seasoned skiers. I was surprised to see that Megamum had posted, in view of her level. I appreciate that the post alluded to her status, but I still think that if an OP requests info from a specific area of expertise, that is where the responses should come from.
Maybe in this case, the response that Megamum received is harsh, but as was mentioned above, this isn't the first time 'advice' has been given by her on a subject that is way above level.
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Jumper, Interesting point - are you using post count as a guide?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Another classic corner of the internet takes shape
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The SH police strike again
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How very funny. Whether or not appropriate in this thread, I often appreciate Megamum's posts as they reflect opinions (and more importantly, questions) from someone who's very interested in the subject, thoughtful and is at a relatively early stage in her ski learning.
Which is very important to me as I am afraid that I've pretty much forgotten what it's like to learn to ski.
Well done her.
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For the record, whilst acknowledging the OPs request, I have no objection to Megamum giving us her thoughts on the subject.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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before anyone makes comment, i said
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i won't bother to offer any further advice on this site.
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i didn't say i would not post.... well, looking at the camps for and against, this thread is a perfect example why so many people in the ski industry come on here, stay for a while, giving useful advice then leave, , and normally don't have a good word to say about the place
Yes it is a public forum, but was there not talk of achiving this stuff somewhere as a resource?????, if someone asks a specific question then why the white noise, answer the question as asked, if the question is a general "i'm thinking of new skis what has everyone else used?" then great, get the opinions flowing
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Apparently if someone mentions hitler the thread comes to an end.......................Hitler, Gas Chamber, Nazis.
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FAQ
I'm certain our lack of 'skilled' and 'qualified' experience will rule us both out from posting....... ;-)As 
Too many bad habits to be considered that!