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uktrailmonster, I have found that the wealthy will economise on the most trivial of things but spend £100k, for example, on a car because they like cars. The rich get rich by looking after the pennies even though they will spend a lot generally, so I do not think your original quote of 'Poor people tend to buy cheap stuff and rich people tend to buy expensive stuff' is quite that simple, but I agree that spending £500 on a ski jacket and being stupid is not a close correlation per se 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rayscoops, No, the rich get rich by making lots of profit from their businesses and wise large scale investments. When it comes to their personal spending habits, they are not usually all that prudent and it's totally irrelevant whether or not they choose to save pennies.
My hypothesis was intended to be very simple to make it easy for poor people to understand why rich people are not stupid when they spend more money on things 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rayscoops, Think you're getting confused between business and personal spending. A wealthy businessman may well strive to save every last penny on their business overheads, but then spend £100K on a rapidly depreciating car or take a very expensive holiday just because they want to for their personal pleasure. Not because it makes sense financially.
I think brand snobbery is very much a two way thing. My buying choices are largely driven by quality (can't stand tat), not brand names. But often quality and 'branded' gear are one and the same. A good example of this is Porsche cars. Reverse snobs would say they're just over-priced posing wagons, but they're also extremely well engineered cars. So you get several types of buyer. Those who buy purely for the image, those who buy for the product itself and those who buy for both.
What was the thread about again 
Oh yes Spyder gear. I'd say it would appeal to those who are looking for image + quality. Those buying fake Spyder gear can only be doing it for the image.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| rayscoops, does your friend also recycle his teabags? |
ALL tea should be made in a pot. Thereby making the issue of recycling teabags redundant, as the preferred number of bags (say 3) will make a pot of given size (say 5 cups) and the bags will then be 'used up'.
I don't wish to tell others how to live their lives, but on this matter I am right.
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uktrailmonster & rayscoops, can I please have a definative (and specific) definition of 'wealthy' in order that I can make up my mind about which of you is correct.
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midgetbiker, when I was a young girl I always thought that on the day I could buy a complete range of top name "smellies" (bubble bath, talc, perfume etc) in one go without even thinking about the price, that woudl be the day I would consider myself wealthy. Well, that day is kind of here I suppose, but my priorites have changed and if I do buy such stuff it would tend not to be chanel sort of stuff, and I forget to use it anyway 
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midgetbiker, you are partially right. Tea should be made with loose leaves, NOT teabags, and in a teapot with an infuser basket.
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| midgetbiker, you are partially right. Tea should be made with loose leaves, NOT teabags, and in a teapot with an infuser basket. |
In an ideal world, obviously, but here we are dealing with the harsh realities of our busy modern lives (with its constant pressures to make a living and/or post endlessly on critical internet issues).
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midgetbiker, anyone who is so busy that they have no time to make tea has seriously skewed priorities and needs to have a stern word with themselves. 
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| Lizzard wrote: |
| midgetbiker, you are partially right. Tea should be made with loose leaves, NOT teabags, and in a teapot with an infuser basket. |
That's it . . . she's gone kermit
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Masque, the French use teabags with tepid water and barely know what a teapot is. They are a nation of coffee addicts.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Masque wrote: |
| I don't believe that Spyder Punterwear comes close to being the best choice on the mountain |
Does everything we use on the mountain have to be "best choice"? Should we all choose exactly the same kit because it's recognised as the highest performing, or are we allowed to choose whatever we like because it does the job plenty good enough and we like the styling?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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..or the hideous colour 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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that can be spotted from space. grinning smiley mark 3
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rob@rar, I was hugely impressed with this:
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| Spyder clothing design has an inordinate and anachronistic amount of panel seaming and with concomitant sealing and insulation required for that... |
Fecked if I know what it means though.
1st rule of communication: Make sure people can understand you. 
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| Masque wrote: |
Just because I call you a sad, badge monkey . . . doesn't mean you aren't |
That would be like calling you a peasant
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Masque, a number of ski schools seem to use Spyder kit, all season long in all weathers. The kit works. You might not like it. You might not be prepared to pay the premium they charge. But that doesn't mean that it's a bad choice for some people, unless you have a monopoly on wisdom and style...?
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rob@rar, may I remind you of 'product placement discounts' as part of an effective marketing program? Here's a conundrum for you . . . what's the retail price of a race suit and what does a national race team pay for theirs?
What is very evident is the (over?) sensitivity of Spyder wearers to criticism. I don't have any problem with people disposing of their cash in any way . . . but I reserve the right to comment on their justification for doing so. I sincerely believe and will defend the statement that you can purchase better equipment for less cost and I will press any Spyder wearer to provide a reason beyond 'cus I like it and can afford it' for its purchase.
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I think I heard that Spyder are providing ESF with their new kit next season 
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Masque,
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man's preference for sensitivity over sensibility
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What does this mean?
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Masque, ah, I suspected that you thought sensibility meant behaving sensibly, which of course it doesn't. You will find that Ms Austen (sic) drew her distinction between sense and sensibility. You really should check your references and your dictionary before indulging in your aphoristic prose.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, we cross posted. As ever you said it much better then I.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Masque wrote: |
| rob@rar, may I remind you of 'product placement discounts' as part of an effective marketing program? |
So? That makes not one jot of difference to whether Spyder skiwear is suitable for use in all conditions, which it is.
BTW, I wear North Face or Vist, with occasional forays in Tricolor or Columbia; Icebreaker base layers and underpants by M&S. I'm not over-sensitive to criticism of people who wear Spyder kit (not least because I haven't for several years), but I don't agree with the argument that clothing can be "right" or "wrong".
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| [Ms Austen (sic) |
my turn.... isn't it right to use "(sic)" when reproducing the error, not when quoting but correcting it?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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PJSki, It seems you are demonstrably unfamiliar with the concept of a pun . . . try this one . . . "You can take a whore to culture but you can't make (in this case) him think" read on muppet and try to learn that whilst wikipedia is a useful tool . . . it does require a little competence to wield it beyond the equivalence of placing yer togger on an anvil and asking a stranger to hit it with a lump hammer . . . it's not my prick on the anvil.
Hurtle, You've been off your game of late . . . though whilst paraphrasing Ms Austin I'm using current definitions for sensitivity . . .
Synonyms: acuteness, affectibility, awareness, consciousness, delicacy, feeling, impressionability, nervousness, reactiveness, reactivity, receptiveness, sensation, sense, sensitiveness, subtlety, susceptibility, sympathy
and sensibility . . . 
Synonyms: appreciation, awareness, discernment, emotion, feeling, gut reaction*, heart*, insight, intuition, judgment, keenness, perceptiveness, rationale, sensation, sense, sensitiveness, sensitivity, sentiment, susceptibility, taste, vibes
Whilst both have shared components I think that I can rely on Ms Austin to define their use in context so that a man's sensitivity (his emotional reaction) overrules his sensibility (his knowledge of facts)
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| So? That makes not one jot of difference to whether Spyder skiwear is suitable for use in all conditions, which it is. |
read again, that's not the argument I've made.
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Masque, excellent bit of convoluted weaseling. You even misspelled her name again.
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| Masque wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| So? That makes not one jot of difference to whether Spyder skiwear is suitable for use in all conditions, which it is. |
read again, that's not the argument I've made. |
So if you're not arguing that it is inappropriate kit to wear when skiing what is your argument? That you think it's poor value for money? That you think it looks ugly? Something else...?
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PJSki,I hang my head in shame at my hyperlexia, yet you offer no cogent repost only a critique grammar. The weasel is hard against the back wall of PJ's burrow
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rob@rar, I'm putting money on him thinking it's bad value.
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| Masque wrote: |
| PJSki,I hang my head in shame at my hyperlexia, yet you offer no cogent repost only a critique grammar. |
I did actually. I said you were trying to weasel your way out of being wrong.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Masque wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| So? That makes not one jot of difference to whether Spyder skiwear is suitable for use in all conditions, which it is. |
read again, that's not the argument I've made. |
So if you're not arguing that it is inappropriate kit to wear when skiing what is your argument? That you think it's poor value for money? That you think it looks ugly? Something else...? |
Yes! That is the point and finally we've got there. By all means buy the stuff but don't tell us that it's Skiwear Nirvana or worth what you pay for it. It is a personal choice that is based on your values and you have no defence against those that may spit on those values. What is your responsibility as a wearer is that you (not 'you' as an individual) not portray Spyder clothing as the best choice when it's demonstrably not.
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FAQ
). Its black soft shell so not garish and has so far given me about 100 days skiing and looks nearly as new. I've never got wet yet, I am rarely cold, and only get a liitle hot if I layer up too much and the black sucks up all the spring sun. So someone tell me is that value or not?
