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rob@rar, under a new name, We are not talking about responsible skiers skiing fast though are we? We're talking about irresponsible skiers going fast, jumping over blind rollers and then boasting about it, and everyone else being called a killjoy!  I don't think it will take many removed lift passes to stop most of it (assuming it's publicised), but the presence of slow skiing signs is apparently a sign for these skiers to go faster!  In other words 'easy piste coming up - go for it'. 
the lift company here are doing what they can, they station pisteurs at strategic points at busy periods, they record incidences of dangerous skiing that they and the lifties see, they ask the public about dangerous incidents that they've seen, they have 'slow' signs in lots of dodgy places, and they are proposing that next year pisteurs (but not ski instructors  ) will be able to remove lift passes next year .... However, idiots like the chap who ran over davidof's son and the two earlier posters here will still try their best to ruin the fun for the majority. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Would you have these speed limits only on nursery slopes or 'gentle' pistes like blue runs?
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easiski, That is awesome - where he just launches into Vallons below P3 is amazing as is where he hits the trees just before the finish.
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easiski, no, we're not, and you are (as ever!) quite right. It is, as much discussed a problem of the inconsiderate few (too many) ruining it, sometimes permanently, for the many.
Going back to Davidof's OP, yes, I would have to, although I hate to, say that the pistes are getting more dangerous - and it's not my own fault. I wouldn't mind if it was.
Very sad and annoying.
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| easiski wrote: |
| rob@rar, under a new name, We are not talking about responsible skiers skiing fast though are we? We're talking about irresponsible skiers going fast, jumping over blind rollers and then boasting about it, and everyone else being called a killjoy! |
I agree with you entirely. I don't think that pisteurs with speed guns on the nursery slopes are the bets way to deal with the problem. I think you're right that word would begin to spread if some lift passes were removed, even if only for a day or two. But that would rely on someone like a pisteur taking a professional judgement about what is dangerous skiing rather than being a few kilometres over an arbitrary speed limit.
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rob@rar, don't need speed guns. A well trained observer can make the judgement.
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David Murdoch, For sure.
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easiski, and can make the judgement watching em walking across the car park to the first lift too... 
P.S. hope you're having a good end to the season. Overcast in Cham today so we're on first barbeque of the spring.
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Reckless, out of control skiers is a big problem here in Colorado too. Here you just can't ski blind to skiers above you, skiing what ever line you desire. You can't depend on other skiers to know and adhere to the rules of the sport. You have to ski with an eye in the back of your head, constantly looking over your shoulder as you make a turn across the falline, for fear of the out of control idiot straight lining.
When skiing on my own it's not as much of an issue, as I move along at a pretty good clip. But when skiing with students it's a big problem. If the student is following me, I have to clear a large piece of real estate above us before departing to keep the student safe. If the student is choosing their own line, I often run interferrence from above. It gives me a good view of what the average recreational skier goes through while skiing at slow to moderate speeds. It's ridiculous,,, it's dangerous out there.
I blame much of it on a mind shift brought about by the park and extreme skiing movement of late. Young skiers are drawn to finding air and running the falline where ever they are, well outside their skill level,,, and ski resorts have become less strict at enforcing safe skiing from being overwhelmed by so many skiing this way, as well as recognizing that boards/parks/young is their bread and butter to which they have to somewhat cater.
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FastMan wrote:
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| I blame much of it on a mind shift brought about by the park and extreme skiing movement of late. Young skiers are drawn to finding air and running the falline where ever they are, well outside their skill level,,, and ski resorts have become less strict at enforcing safe skiing from being overwhelmed by so many skiing this way, as well as recognizing that boards/parks/young is their bread and butter to which they have to somewhat cater. |
Yep, been noticing this in Europe too. I didn't really see many boarders doing this, it was mainly young skiers. I'm also sick of hearing stupid parents proclaiming how good their kids are because 'they just straightline it' and 'don't bother with turning'. We have a whole generation of kids being influenced by this stuff and has to be dealt with now.
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You know it makes sense.
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| PJSki wrote: |
| ... I'm also sick of hearing stupid parents proclaiming how good their kids are because 'they just straightline it' and 'don't bother with turning'. We have a whole generation of kids being influenced by this stuff and has to be dealt with now. |
In Megeve this year I was talking to a skier who told me that her son (who was evidently a beginner boarder) had now given up skiing because having skied (once a year) for 10 years since the age of 13 he was so good that nothing was a challenge anymore and he couldn't possibly get any better. I admit I had an immediate urge to say something cutting  . However I saved my breath. The problem is not that she thought her little boy wonderful (nothing wrong wiith that, perfectly normal), but that she seemed not to realise her view to be unobjective (and so was injudiciously unrestrained in her expression of said view), as well as that in any case she knew next to nothing about skiing, good or otherwise. What was a little more worrying was that her son didn't disagree with her.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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One of the few times I've actually been scared skiing was in February this year, skiing down a long blue from the top of the hill down into Scheffau. Quite a narrow cat-track and there were a load of kids just bombing down it as fast as they could, sat down on their skis, cutting off corners and re-joining the piste. They were really out of control.
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based on people tending to have a perception that faster than they are skiing or are comfortable skiing must equal out of control?
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well I certainly don't think that anyone skiing faster than I do is out of control. But I do think that people who bump into slope users who have right of way are out of control, and I also know enough about skiing to know that someone doing a sort of snowplough straight down the slope, fast, on flat skis, is out of control. A girl shot past me the other day - and I was not going particularly slowly. As she moved ahead of me and I could see her better it was obvious she was out of control, though still on her feet. It was bound to end in tears but fortunately she crashed on her own, without involving anybody else (if only because she and I were about the only people on that whole section).
I think any reasonable experienced observer from a chairlift can see a fair number of skiers who are out of control - doesn't mean they are skiing fast, just too fast for their skills. The "brave but foolish" near beginner with a bunch of more experienced mates is a prime example - and nobody could deny that there are a fair number of them around. Sort of partly snowplough/swivel turns, with straight legs - you know the look. If they are also overweight couch potatoes, as often seems to be the case, their momentum is truly scary for anyone below them.
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Forget about the control/out of control thing... Being out of control is part of the learning process - everyone who has fallen while skiing was out of control - that's all of us. I recall Easiski saying that she fell on a peice of hardpack piste ealier in the season. She was out of control at that point and, potentially, her fall could have caused an accident involving another skier.
Recklessness is the issue - not absolute 'control'
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someone needs to tell that guy not to look at his tips the whole time
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Yes, davidof, very diplomatic. 
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davidof, 
Good thing Google Translate doesn't have a nanny filter!
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That has to be the most boring ski video ever. Unless there is an interesting bit between minute 1 when I got fed up and minute 5 when I looked at the end to find that nothing much had changed.
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davidof, would you consider printing up some stickers then flogging them to the community?
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"degagez - especes des enculés des etudiants de l'ESF, faisez-vous foutre ailleurs, bordel de merde, crottes de bite"
run it through Google if you are unsure about the English version.
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I think I can just about figure it out.
But it's a lot to remember.....
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You know it makes sense.
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| easiski wrote: |
| ccl, Have you skied the Vallons de la Meije? If not, we'll forgive you and you can check out the pics on Colin B's thread. |
Well, as someone who has done it a dozen times or more, I have to agree with ccl - that is the most boring ski vid I've ever seen. The fact that it's recording a the winning run of one of the major freeride races in the Alps just makes it even more of a damp squib, completely obscuring the nature of the achievement.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
davidof,
Good thing Google Translate doesn't have a nanny filter! |
shocking isn't it? It is like a script for an Al Pacino movie!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ccl,GrahamN, When I take groups down the route (normally moderate skiers) what he did takes about 2 hours! Of course I could ski it in about 1! I found it a shame that the camera was not mounted on top of his head (it was beside his ear) and this has been mentioned on the comments on You Tube. I agree that as a vid to watch it's not particularly thrilling until you start to work out where he was, and his legs are clearly fantastic because you don't get a sense of the bumps he's traversing - but the guy just straightlines it! Working out where he is is quite a challenge and a shock.
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| davidof wrote: |
I would try to be more diplomatic, something like this should get the desired reaction:-
"degagez - especes des enculés des etudiants de l'ESF, faisez-vous foutre ailleurs, bordel de merde, crottes de bite" |
I love it when foreigners try to bond with the locals. So there:
"degagez - especes d'enculés d'étudiants de l'ESF, allez vous faire foutre ailleurs, bordel de merde..."
I corrected a few mistakes, just to convey the sentiment a bit better...and I removed "crottes de bite", which doesn't mean anything and would just distract your audience...
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easiski, agree the best bits are where he's straightlining bumps
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The bits through the trees convince me he was not totally in control at that speed, given that he was continually overtaking and could encounter an obstacle at any minute. Exciting last forty seconds; must be incredibly fit, especially in the quads.
Perhaps we shoudl have an observational comp. Without looking again, what skis was he on? Can anyone identify the gloves or helmet? Who did he pass at 1min 30?
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beequin, it's a race - i would say one of the times when slowcoaches need to look after themselves
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Arno, accepted it is a race for some and jolly for others. I was thinking more, see a skier, take avoiding action, hit a tree.
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beequin, Dynastar Pro I'm pretty sure. He does go pretty close to others, but that's part of a freeride race. Those below beware, but they do try to organise it so the fastest go first AIUI. I think he turned his skis about 5 times in the whole descent. Wish I'd been there - on second thoughts no I don't! He has to be a totally awesome skier to be able to do that and stay on his feet. Derby de la Meije is NEVER A JOLLY - if it is you shouldn't be there!
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FAQ
Whatever run that was in the video there was a limit - about a minute- to how long I could be riveted by a view focused about a metre in front of a pair of ski tips. Am I missing something?
