 Poster: A snowHead
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| achilles wrote: |
| More than that (scroll down to Risk calculation and helmet standards). |
Couldn't find what you were referring to, but this seems to detail two of the main standards.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| achilles wrote: |
| Well, there's the rub. The only guy I can recall off hand who really clobbered his head in a race was Scott McCartney. Helmet didn't seem to do him much good - though we will never know the results had he not been wearing one, I suspect even racing helmets offer little protection at high speed. |
In which case surely a thin-shelled, expanded polystyrene foamed helmet would be sufficient for anyone not travelling at DH race speeds (assuming they conform to CE-1077 and F-2040)?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rob@rar, ouch  . I'll correct my post. The link should have been this one.
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| achilles wrote: |
Well, there's the rub. The only guy I can recall off hand who really clobbered his head in a race was Scott McCartney. Helmet didn't seem to do him much good - though we will never know the results had he not been wearing one, I suspect even racing helmets offer little protection at high speed.
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In an high speed accident you'd take whatever protection you could. Like Daniel Albrecht for example. Maybe his helmet made just enough of a difference to save him? Maybe it didn't? Would you want to have that crash with or without a helmet?
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uktrailmonster, I would not like that crash at all. Odd question.
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I don't think uktrailmonster's question is odd at all! If you choose to ski race of course you will crash, though obv you don't want to! With a tough helmet has got to be better than without, even if it doesn't prevent the most serious of injuries.
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achilles, we weren't talking about you we were talking about ski racers??
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If people hit helmets on chair bars more than heads, it seems plausible that when they fall they're also more likely to bash their helmet than they would an unprotected head. Of course, the majority of such blows may be glancing or otherwise barely significant.
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laundryman,
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If people hit helmets on chair bars more than heads, it seems plausible that when they fall they're also more likely to bash their helmet than they would an unprotected head.
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err???
I wouldn't agree with that - people hit their heads on chairlifts more with a helmet cos the helmet makes the head bigger / higher and so closer to the bar when it's coming down. If you crash in such a way that you hit your head you will hit it regardless of if you have a helmet or not, surely?
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beanie1, I can't see why you would think that would follow.
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laundryman, please can you explain your reasoning? If you fall flat out on the snow and your head is going to hit the ground, it will hit the ground with helmet or without. When you're on a chairlift you're sat upright, the only reason you hit your head more is cos it's higher than you're used to.
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| laundryman wrote: |
| If people hit helmets on chair bars more than heads, it seems plausible that when they fall they're also more likely to bash their helmet than they would an unprotected head. Of course, the majority of such blows may be glancing or otherwise barely significant. |
Is that supposed to be a good reason not to wear a helmet? Not that I particularly agree with this theory. A chair bar is a very simple controlled clearance issue, where an extra 10 mm clearance might make a difference sometimes. A crash is a fairly random event where I seriously doubt the extra size matters a toss.
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You know it makes sense.
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uktrailmonster, I think we have an instinctive knowledge of how big our unhelmeted heads are, and are instinctively pretty good at protecting them. The slightly greater size and the slightly greater inertia must make some difference - but it may be negligible. I don't seek any "good reason": I'm sure one is safer with a helmet, on balance, whatever one is doing; crossing a road, drinking in a bar, etc. I'm equally sure there are factors which make helmets not quite as protective as some people imagine. As I think you've said above somewhere, risk cannot be eliminated and it's all down to the sort of risk profile people are happy to run with. I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from wearing a helmet. But I have to admit to being as intolerant of proselytising helmet wearers as of Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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laundryman, Fair enough. I also have an intolerance to the minority who try to convince us that helmets are not only useless, but actually dangerous too.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Actually, helmets can be quite dangerous. Adopting a racing crouch whilst wearing horned 'Viking' styled helmets, or old style German ones with a big spike can dramatically increase injuries on crowded slopes 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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and if a fat out of control 7 year old in a potty crouch hits you on the side of the knee, when you are minding your own business right at the very edge of the piste, that will be more dangerous if he is wearing a helmet.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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And if the helmet is lined with explosive devices it could be fatal!
Thats it sorted then helmets are dangerous 
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skidd1, Or if a tramp craps in your skid lid during the night... or if a colony of wasps builds a nest in it during the summer... 
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My coxyx hurts less since buying impact shorts. I dont see how wearing a helmet cant offer impact protection too. It wont make you invincible but you can be sure that many small accidents have remaind as small accidents as a result of wearing helmets. These accidents are not going to be reported and used in assesing whether helmets are any good. When major accidents occur resulting in serious head injuries they are reported whether a helmet is worn or not therefore the conclusion is not wearing helmet = serious injury wearing helmet = serious injury. Statistically the benefit of wearing a helmet wont be highlighted as the cases where it did its job will not be recorded.
I was recently lucky enough to land head first off a bike onto a rock whilst wearing a helmet (I say lucky cause I was going to leave the house without it that day). I got away with been mildly concuseed even though the helmet cracked on impact. I'll not forget the sound of the helmet cracking but I bet it better than cracking skull. 
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Scarpa, your mind is, indeed, a wonderful place. 
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| laundryman wrote: |
| If people hit helmets on chair bars more than heads, it seems plausible that when they fall they're also more likely to bash their helmet than they would an unprotected head. Of course, the majority of such blows may be glancing or otherwise barely significant. |
People hit their heads (helmets or no helmets) on chairlifts because other users are inconsiderate fools or paranoidally timid. I wear a helmet but have never been on any chairlift where I'd not be perfectly comfortable without the bar down.
How's that for a cross -troll? 
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fatbob, Is that like cross dressing?
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fatbob, oh gosh, i can't stand it when people try and raise the bar early! No way I could go up a whole chair with it up!
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beanie1, that rules out some resorts in the States for you - e.g. Squaw Valley (at least, they didn't have bars when I was last there a few years ago).
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beanie1, Just put your arm over the back...you will not tip out....
laundryman, that always made me laugh...in such a blame culture society
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You know it makes sense.
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JT, i know i won't fall out, but i'd be scared, not that keen on heights!!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Scarpa,
Slightly off subject but my brother managed that into the hood of his all in one when he was night fishing once, suffice to say it ruined his weekend .
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Poster: A snowHead
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beanie1, don't come to western USA, lots of chairs don't have safety bars ....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| laundryman wrote: |
| beanie1, that rules out some resorts in the States for you - e.g. Squaw Valley (at least, they didn't have bars when I was last there a few years ago). |
It would rule it out for me too.
The only time I have ever ridden a chair without a safety bar was when I didn't know how to use the one on the old chair coming up the Right hand side of the Planai in Schladming. That didn't have an overhead bar, but rather two "gates" that you twisted around from the ends, and I didn;t realis you had to lift it in order to free it to turn.
And I was so panic stricken that I couldn't think straight enough to work it out, and just hung on for grim death until I reached the top.
But even on later trips on that chair, when I knew how to work it, I was never quite comfortable with that type of restraint.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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There are defined testing standards for helmets, and I guess expanded foam when supported with a polycarbonate lining works well at deceleration, but it does make a lid a tad bulky and pointy things easily penetrate.
So, guessing some interested in buying helmets aren't actually looking at and comparing composition or likely outcome, it seems its blind faith that a lid does the job then choose from an affordable price point. Mistake #1.
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| ... involved an allegation that someone suffered a severe, personality changing, brain injury by standing up suddenly and banging his head on a protruding crowbar.... |
Come on boarders, speak up, isnt that what happens to skiers on their first day? Just can't believe I got in first with that!
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| gortonator wrote: |
| beanie1, don't come to western USA, lots of chairs don't have safety bars .... |
The mid-load on the Mt Baker canyon chair with the centrepole & a punter already on it is an interesting case study (+ add the "fun" exit ramp if you're on a board).
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I just don't get the arguments from those who argue against wearing a helmet on the basis that the helmet make skiing more dangerous. They're pure nonsense.
However, i don't wear a helmet when i ski or when i cycle. Just because i'm from the generation that can't help thinking that helmets are a for wimps.
That being said, i've hit my head far more time doing general DIY and much harder than i've ever done skiing.
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| lower wrote: |
However, i don't wear a helmet when i ski or when i cycle. Just because i'm from the generation that can't help thinking that helmets are a for wimps.
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Me too, but I don't let that put me off.
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uktrailmonster, you wimp!!!
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I had quite a bad fall last week, I hit my head and it was a little sore for a few days.
I'm now more convinced for the need for helmets and I'll be wearing my helmet all the time.
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Don't think me rude folks, but I think this is getting a little sad - I'm outta here. 
