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wore one for the first time last week (just back from Soll) - had convinced myself it would be uncomfortable but not - forgot it was on until I was taken out by 2 beginners who simultaneously crashed into me and a 3rd then skied into my head - ie helmet. I'm still only a low intermediate so wasnt angry with them but would have been with myself if I had opted for no helmet as it didnt look cool- as some of my group did. I can still feel that ski approaching!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Hurtle, there is so much else in that that I thought the helmet-thread purist might feel disappointed.
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Sun 24-02-08 1:28; edited 1 time in total
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achilles, 
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Already cast my vote of YES.
Saved again in Val Thorens recently.
So much snow by the the apartment that I smacked my head on a concrete roof strut, without the lid, I would have literally been in a bloody state - it has a dent to prove it !
Also my lad (12) was nicely skiing on a blue when 3 racing Norwegians - 2 on skis, one on a board wiped him out. I missed the smash as I was struggling on my board, but the Mrs and other son said that the boarder cut up his skiing mate who then had to turn sharply and lifted my lad off the piste and smashed him into the snow. All I saw was a cloud of snow, ski's pole, bodies all over the place, my wife going mental at the skier n boarder and some non associated Norwegian skiers rushing to the scene to tend to my lad and b0llock their idiot country men.
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Sarge, Aha.. We already have highlighted the need to wear steel-toed slippers in the kitchen (for fear of falling whisky bottles). Now we note the need to wear helmets when going to apartments. Very sensible indeed. I expect someone to highlight a need to wear them in bedrooms - though full-face ones with dark visors must, I think, be optional.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. I hope your lad was OK.
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sally s, Well done. Just dont do what some @rseholes do and use an ipod while skiing. Sarge, Hope your lad is ok. I imagine that the vikings were wearing helmets, (most Norwegians do, well the better skiers do anyway), maybe these numpties thought they were better than they actually are.
Anyone that feels they want or need to wear a helmet have that right. Just do not be so self righteous, it is a free world and had hoped that the nanny police can worry about other things instead, like chocolate tea pots or something equally important.
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Thanks yes, my lad was fine, but rather shaken as you'd expect.
I wear one coz I land on my head a lot coz I'm not very good. I insist the kids do, so set the example.
Each to their own on the helmet issue really, but I'll stick with mine.
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OK. Following the latest string of posts there, I have decided to allow it on a 'not to be missed' basis. Now edited into the third post in this thread.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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AxsMan, happy to help
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You know it makes sense.
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Just do not be so self righteous
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Roy Hockley. You're not self righteous???????????? Must have been someone else who said
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Just dont do what some @rseholes do and use an ipod while skiing.
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pam w, True, I do accept however that others have an opinion and defend their right. Are you a person that would dictate their views on others, surely not!!! I do not drink and drive on the road because it is not just my safety that I am responsible for, when driving I have to be considerate to others. Wearing a helmet could save your life I accept, but wearing earphones will take away one of your senses that make your skiing safer. Safe skiing Pam and hopefully you wont come accross the inconsiderate on the slopes, unfortunately they are out there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Roy Hockley, despite being a skier who listens to music I do not believe I am a danger to others as a result (nor an @rsehole, for that matter!). Is a driver who listens to music a dangerous @rsehole? That's a pretty extreme viewpoint and could certainly, by some people at least, be seen as "self righteous". If not plain barmy. Attributing characteristics to a whole category of people (music-listeners, non-listeners,helmet-wearers, non-helmet wearers,people in one-piece suits, men in Spyder jackets, people who go to Val D'Isere,chalet staff,) is not too helpful and just gets people on their high horse.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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So you dont believe that taking drugs and skiing and drinking alchohol and skiing is not in any way irresponsible? Then I would classify you as a fool, and in this respect not considerate to others on the slope. I do agree with you however that listening to music in a car and on the slope can be distracting! Now if you want to continue the debate give us your views on drunk and stoned skiers whether in Val D'Isere or not wearing seasoned one piece suits?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So you dont believe that taking drugs and skiing and drinking alchohol and skiing is not in any way irresponsible?
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Roy Hockley, sorry, you've completely lost me there. Did I say that taking drugs and skiing is not irresponsible?
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I can't believe that I am actually surfing from helmet thread to helmet thread, and I'm not the only one. We're all barking. 
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Hurtle, You have to admit though, that the other one has more fireworks 
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AxsMan, yup. It's this month's definitive helmet punch-up, though it had kind drifted sideways for a while.
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AxsMan, already edited in - following an appeal from Hurtle. 
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AxsMan, yep, fabulous stuff. What about impacts FROM helmets causing injuries? Where the hell did that one come from? All completely barking. Where's that head-shaking smiley?
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Hurtle, I haven't the strength at this time of night to read all that other thread. But a friend of mine had a catastrophic knee injury caused by a helmet-wearing, over-weight, over-confident, 8 year old boy who wiped her out when she was standing on the side of a piste, picking up her 3 year-old daughter who had fallen. He hit her side on, in a full tuck, with his armour-plated head at her knee level.  Many thousands of pounds worth of surgery from one of Austria's top surgeons couldn't put her together again.
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You know it makes sense.
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pam w, I'm sorry for your friend, but my point is that a helmet does not make a head any harder. If anything the layer of plastic and polystyrene on top of the bone is likely to soften the impact of a head hitting a body (absorbing impact is how the helmet protects the head). So if the hapless 8 year old had not been wearing a helmet chances are the injury would have been the same or worse.
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AxsMan,
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was it yourself who pointed out that being hit by a helmeted head was really not much different from being hit by an unhelmeted one (from the perspective of the person being hit)?
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It was, thank you. But, as you see, pam w has already arrived with some evidence to the contrary, though maybe that child's bare head would also have caused some damage. Really, it's a bit of a mad world on the slopes, isn't it, one doesn't expect to be disabled at knee height by a rocket-powered ankle-biter. Really sorry about your friend, btw, Pam, what a dreadful thing to happen, no joke whatsoever.
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Poster: A snowHead
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AxsMan, ah, interesting. (The impact absorbing point, that is. I did genuinely wonder what the answer might be.)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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AxsMan, yes, maybe you're right. Certainly the outcome would have been worse for the child without a helmet. If two objects collide, with a given momentum, does a lesser impact on one of them necessarily mean a greater impact on the other? Does a helmet really not make a head any harder? Can a helmet not withstand a blow which would fracture a skull? Who knows, it's too late at night to think about it! Where's the sleepy smiley?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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pam w, Well the type of helmet used in skiing is lightweight, plastic and filled with expanded polystyrene. Contrast this with a fibre glass motorcycle helmet that is heavy and much more rigid (although still consisting largely of polystyrene under the fibreglass.
In BOTH cases the primary function of the helmet is to absorb impact, like the crumple zone on a car, and by absorbing, reduce the force acting on the point of impact with the head.
Clearly the bike helmet is tougher and being hit by someone wearing one is going to spoil your day, but the lightweight skiing helmet is actually likely to reduce the damage done to you, because it has a larger diameter than a bare head (so spreading the impact) and contains a compressible core (the polystyrene) which will prevent some of the energy of the moving head from being transferred directly to you (it will instead deform the polystyrene.
So in short, if I had a choice between being hit by a bareheaded eight year old, or one wearing a modern skiing helmet (all other things being equal) I'd chose the helmet wearer every time.
(and then beat the cr@p out of the little bug with my ski pole )
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AxsMan, Surely no need to resort to violence! I was enjoying both threads, it is great fun, having a go at some can be amusing! Keep it coming!!!
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