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David Murdoch, unfortunately they were quite dull, but there is lots of potential in the ski!
They still were able to bite, but not on the icy worldcup thing 
Find these quite soft in the tails, unlike the Stoeckli GS
Obviously by design, judging the shape of the steel sheets visible from the sidewalls.
Think i like those tails a bit more firm...
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Unfortunately its unlikely Stoeckli will do another production run of 07/08 Laser SL FIS 
Guess those will have to move to next year, or someone who still has a pair has to offer a very good deal (The local store here in Wengen is very sweet about skiteachers)
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*minor little kick*
So the volkl allstars are done for... i really don't enjoy them anymore... they actually became much more floppy then the average twintip/semifatpowdertoy
Asked Central to ask the stoeckli rental centres if they may have 2nd hand FIS for a decent price offer.. else its a retail; i don't fancy sacrificing 1 possibly 2 weeks of skiing for the FIS ski, unless i'd really miss out on the FIS....
Jean Marc@central thinks the retail would do just fine (and i'm sure it will) because i'm not THAT heavy (below 80kg)
Opinions?
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Ronald, the only comparison I can give is between the Rossi 9S race stock and retail versions, skied the same week three years ago. I'm about 73kg and noticed a huge difference between the 9S WC and the 9S Oversize. IIRC they had a similar turn radius although the geometry was not the same. The WC ski had so much more energy coming out of the turn than the retail ski, felt significantly more solid throughout the turn and was just more 'exciting' all round. The WC ski comes with a beefy race plate so not sure how much of a difference that made, but the race and retail versions of this ski were poles apart. I bought a pair of the race stock skis after that test.
Although I don't keep up with latest developments in ski kit I did spot that Bilek sold what I think is the current version of the 9S WC (skis and plates only) for £170 plus shipping. Info here. I was almost tempted to stick a bid in, but eventually decided against as my current slalom skis seem just as lively as when I bought them.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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rob@rar, Plates do make a difference.
I skiied the retail 07 Stoeckli GS in 176 with Vist bindings+riser+beefy plate (thats the one I have now) and in 182 with Salomon bindings and no plate... the Vist setup stiffens the ski considerably.
This years stoeckli seems to come with the Z12 Salomon railbindings. Really have no idea if thats better or worse
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Rental Shop in Grindelwald has a pair of Laser SL FIS, its going to be send to Central in 2 days time.
If the price and shape are good, i'll bite
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Ronald let us know how you get on.
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The FIS pair from the rental shop is in shockingly bad condition. Edges serviced so much they can fall out any moment, lots of damage in the topsheet down to the upper metal sheet...
About bad enough i'd feel bad renting them out
The good side is I can actually test the difference between the retail and the FIS now.
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Another option... Rossignol FIS slaloms... i think there is a pair in the shop (and the print is ugly!)
They are a bit more expensive then stoeckli, but those would still be cheaper then renting something proper and buying stoeckli next year
Any clue how those compare?
I can get Stoeckli SL retail, Rossignol SL retail and Stoeckli SL FIS (battered and beaten) from rental test.
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Skiied both the retail and FIS Stoeckli Laser SL today...
Took the FIS first 
After that the retail wasn't very disapointing, but the FIS was clearly superior in every aspect... (Including its ability to drain your strength with violent efficiency)
This ski is basically everything I expected from it...
The shop up at Mannlichen had a different pair then was sent to Central last week, in MUCH better shape. So Cental will ask for a price on this ski, and also inform at Stoeckli again for a 08/09 ski. Stoeckli were on Mannlichen today doing their showcase of 08/09 gear to the shop owners in Grindelwald/Wengen and they did have an 08/09 SL FIS...
Stoeckli will be using the very same topsheet for next year on most of their models, and i can't say I dislike that.
As a sidenote: this puts the powderski plans (some other threads of me) on hold, as in all honesty, a slalom racecarver is much more important to me...
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Bought the one from the rental. Only been out 6 days (and 1 of those must be my own doing) after being used for skitest in Sölden.
Does everything that was suggested in the thread.
Thanks for all the guidance/help/time!
And thanks to Jean Marc of Central Sport in Wengen for putting up with my excessively wierd and changing wishes
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