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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The following data may be relevant to the points above:
This thread (SCGB issues): 80 posts. 10,871 views
Another current thread on Piste (Sat Nav issues): 98 posts. 1,146 views
Given the ... err ... obsession with consumer electronics on this forum (vis-a-vis 105-year-old clubs) that strikes me as heartening.
Apparently the Proprietor is sending me a snowHeads fart cushion as a reward for this performance, though that information came from a weird mole-like beaver that just crept past my desk.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
The following data may be relevant to the points above:
This thread (SCGB issues): 80 posts. 10,871 views
Another current thread on Piste (Sat Nav issues): 98 posts. 1,146 views
Given the ... err ... obsession with consumer electronics on this forum (vis-a-vis 105-year-old clubs) that strikes me as heartening.
Apparently the Proprietor is sending me a snowHeads fart cushion as a reward for this performance, though that information came from a weird mole-like beaver that just crept past my desk. |
But if you resurrect a thread from like erm 3 years ago then, and which provides history of the 'launch' of snowheads, then it's likely to have be a hot porato at the time, and be then regularly linked to by other snowheads for the benefit of newbs..
Lies damn Lies and statistics
Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? on Fri 28-11-08 14:52; edited 1 time in total
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David Goldsmith, yeah but this thread has been live for a whole year! See there's lies, damn lies and statistics. 93% of beavers agree with that.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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bertie bassett, snap. Mine mentioned furry mammals tho' so better.
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You're tempting me now to find a 1-year-old thread with a high post count and a pitifully low view count.
You have been warned
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
You're tempting me now to find a 1-year-old thread with a high post count and a pitifully low view count.
You have been warned |
Perhaps one on Snowheads T's & C's might meet that criteria 
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
The following data may be relevant to the points above:
This thread (SCGB issues): 80 posts. 10,871 views
Another current thread on Piste (Sat Nav issues): 98 posts. 1,146 views
Given the ... err ... obsession with consumer electronics on this forum (vis-a-vis 105-year-old clubs) that strikes me as heartening. |
Nope, it just prooves that people are more interested in watching car crashes than avoiding them.
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
The following data may be relevant to the points above:
This thread (SCGB issues): 80 posts. 10,871 views
Another current thread on Piste (Sat Nav issues): 98 posts. 1,146 views. |
Er - don't google bots play a role in the number of views.....
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| Latchigo wrote: |
| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| .... dam? No beaver would make that kind of remark. |
Perhaps the club should undertake missionary work in Sunderland to encourage more people to ski with the reps ? |
The offpiste at Silksworth is VERY dangerous.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I was hoping someone would want to talk about the role of trees in skiing, instead of all this rubbish.
Am I alone in being aware that skis used to be made out of trees?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Parts of mine still are, unless those "wooden cores" are sourced elsewhere these days 
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You know it makes sense.
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Yoda, I recall visiting the Fischer ski factory about 20 years ago, which was a huge consumer of timber at the time because of its cross-country ski production (and the other cores they machined for their alpine skis). Most ski factories just buy in components such as cores, but Fischer had a big sawmill etc. (maybe not now?)
My impression is that the timber of a core doesn't require such strict quality and resilience/characteristics as when it's the predominant structural component of the ski. I think wood cores these days function more as inexpensive spacers of the fibreglass/composite box or sandwich around them. I doubt if they're made of hickory.
What concerns me generally is the brutal ignorance of trees by the ski world generally. It was said that 200 ancient pine trees were felled to clear the land for Arc 1950 (did Intrawest create plantations elsewhere to compensate?). The enormous tree-felling - mainly in N.America - to cut new ski trails has been done mainly in the past 30-40 years: a very short time in natural history.
In my view, the ski industry should be a major promoter and funding source for forestry, instead of simply trashing the mountain and exploiting its natural resources. End of sermon.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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David Goldsmith, well I confess that I don't know a lot about ski construction, but the makers still seem to promote "wooden cores" as a desirable feature. This could just be marketing hype for all I know.
Does seem a shame that the SCGB have let their planting initiative slide as it were. I don't suppose a lot of people knew that 
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Poster: A snowHead
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David Goldsmith, I thought the last time you actually went skiing, even the boots were made of wood...
For those who do care about the AGM, a formerly active snowHead has fed back about it on the SCGB forum - to which this discussion might profitably (or not-for-profitably) adjourn.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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If you'll permit me, that's the type of exclusionist proposition which is a serious issue for our Club. Several members last night highlighted the deficiency in youth membership (personal subscriptions, rather than family ones) - something that might be 'profitably' discussed with the wider world. The internet is breaking down traditional barriers. The research and intelligence needs to be inclusive.
If you want to sell more youth memberships, it's not necessarily wise to confine the discussion to middle-aged and elderly decision-makers.
It was interesting last night to see the staff (average age 20-25) watching a large CCTV video monitor in the bar which was relaying the decision-making in the library, where the members had an average age of 50-60. It's said that we have a high membership of 18s to 24s (because of the decision to increase the age inclusion of children in family memberships) but these members were not present. So the young staff had no communication with potential revivalist tendencies within the membership itself.
It all felt slightly surreal!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| If you'll permit me, that's the type of exclusionist proposition which is a serious issue for our Club. |
The thing is David its not our club. It belongs to members of SCGB - many of whom probably are snowheads but will go a on the SCGB forum to read up on whats happening. The price of bacon in Switzerland concerns me more than this !
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deficiency in youth membership
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Have a look at most of your threads/posts on here on this and related subjects and ask yourself why it might be that anyone under the age of 104 would fall asleep within 30 seconds of walking in the door.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Fair point, Smokin Bacon
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
If you'll permit me, that's the type of exclusionist proposition which is a serious issue for our Club. Several members last night highlighted the deficiency in youth membership (personal subscriptions, rather than family ones) - something that might be 'profitably' discussed with the wider world. The internet is breaking down traditional barriers. The research and intelligence needs to be inclusive.
If you want to sell more youth memberships, it's not necessarily wise to confine the discussion to middle-aged and elderly decision-makers.
It was interesting last night to see the staff (average age 20-25) watching a large CCTV video monitor in the bar which was relaying the decision-making in the library, where the members had an average age of 50-60. It's said that we have a high membership of 18s to 24s (because of the decision to increase the age inclusion of children in family memberships) but these members were not present. So the young staff had no communication with potential revivalist tendencies within the membership itself.
It all felt slightly surreal! |
Bar viewing was due to the fact there was no space in the main room and also because they were working.
Age is a relevant issue though. University ski clubs got a mention, but so did complaints that reps could not continue past 65.
An AGM in Wimbledon means the same people turn up every year - enthusiasts and those who are local. Not necessarily the best way to encourage participation in the running of the club. Though the council may not particularly want participation. As one Snowhead said, he does not feel like a club member . The flippant reply was that he was on the list as a member so therefore he was.
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Latchigo,
......................and like Woolworths, The Co-op and Wengen............they will slowly die as their customer base dies. They have to move with the times but the SCGB refuses !
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David Goldsmith, It is only grumpy middle-aged gits like you and I who are sad enough to even contemplate going to the AGM. The SCGB staff were young (ie cheap to employ) and probably had to be there. Nice to see the "family membership" bee in your bonnet again. Glad to see the selectively skewed interpretations of yore.
Just why have you left your hermits cave? Are you actually planning to ski this season? 
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| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| The Ski Club of GB is, at the end of the day (apres-ski, in other words), a private members' organisation. It is also the self-declared 'spokesbody of British skiers'. |
Is there some sort of disclaimer or public proclamation I can sign which states categorically that the SCGB does not speak on my behalf. I'd hate anyone to think that it did.
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| Smokin Joe wrote: |
Latchigo,
......................and like Woolworths, The Co-op and Wengen............they will slowly die as their customer base dies. They have to move with the times but the SCGB refuses ! |
Very true....but I will really miss Woolies.
I got sacked from the Co-op though (direliction of duties on the bacon counter which may be relevant to your post)
I do not think Wengen will die and I hope SCGB survives too.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Smokin Joe, except the membership has been increasing... by 10% in the last 2 years...
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Lizzard, your insults are rubbish so I won't bother to respond.
Try a few Groucho Marx scripts and imagine that I'm Margaret Dumont.
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stoatsbrother, doh ! 
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You know it makes sense.
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rob@rar, When Mr Goldsmith has raised that canard before - I believe it was pointed out that that the quote came from a mission statement from 1995 - or similiar. And that the club had long since disavowed that role...
Why do you chaps take anything DG says about the club seriously... 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| Smokin Joe, except the membership has been increasing... by 10% in the last 2 years... |
Then we are back on discussions about whether 24 year olds are real 'children' or not.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| stoatsbrother wrote: |
| rob@rar, Why do you chaps take anything DG says about the club seriously... |
You really should have been there last night. It was all very civil. Nothing like the flame wars you get on the net. DG was spotted in conversation with internet adversaries.
That said, additional members who can 'harrumph' are always welcome. It adds to the atmosphere. [ Here, here ! smiley]
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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David Goldsmith, perfectly serious point. You remark on the dearth of young club members while at the same time banging on incessantly about a load of incredibly tedious rubbish. Assuming that you are typical of the membership, it's hardly surprising that the place is dominated by boring old farts, is it?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Latchigo, indeed... we have been there before
But actually even the individual memberships went up 10% between 2006 and 2007
This year the membership is 28.7% under 24 and 23.3% aged 25-45. And 8% "age unknown" (presumably forgetful old buffers...) 3.9% of the membership could remember they were over 65.
Not exactly an elderly demographic despite the usual stereotyping we see on snowHeads
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stoatsbrother,
The Ski Club of Great Britain's official communications policy for 2008:
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| As well as being a club, the Ski Club is the voice of recreational snowsports in the UK. |
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http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/presscentre/faqs.asp#skiclub
As I've previously pointed out, this broadens the Club's mission from merely being "spokesbody of British skiers" [1995 mission statement] to being a spokesbody for skiers, snowboarders, and anyone else who slides snow.
As a member of the medical profession one would expect you to base assertions on factual analysis that exceeds that of the average hack. I'm very very careful not make things up where the Club is concerned.
You say that the SCGB's membership has risen by 10% in 2 years. The official data is:
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Paying units:
2006: 17,854
2007: 19,139
2008: 19,114 |
Source: SCGB 2008 annual report
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David Goldsmith, total membership 30609 > 33761 = 9.1% So I exaggerated by 0.9%.
It isn't going down though is it?
As for the quote - that is from a page pimping their rent-a-quote service... (£20 a time?)
I would ask why you are a member since you don't appear to ski - and seem to hate every bit of the club except its history, but a more interesting question is why you have returned to snowHeads...
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[quote="Frosty the Snowman"]
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| The offpiste at Silksworth is VERY dangerous. |
I can verify this - having been nearly run over by a BMX, while assorted Mackem hard-lad types looked on from the comfort of their Kappa shell suits. Fortunately they were nice enough lads & having confirmed that I wasn't a skunk were quite apologetic.
On the SKGB point - while I know and have met many members who are perfectly nice inidivduals there is something particularly "club like" about them when all together.
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On the SKGB point - while I know and have met many members who are perfectly nice inidivduals there is something particularly "club like" about them when all together. |
I rather imagine them to be like the 'downhill only club' brigade as featured in 'on the piste'....would that be fair?
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bertie bassett, may be for the over 65s.... But there are some DHO snowHeads - why not ask them? The DHO does seem quite close to the SCGB in Wengen.
fatbob, I guess that is true of any club or group - including perhaps even snowHeads on bashes?
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bertie bassett, The DHO membership is not so quite "Hooray Henry" these days as the On the Piste programme .
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doctor, I'm wondering if you should make the career change from medicine to spin.
The reason the SCGB's gross membership went up this year, while the paying units went down (impossible if all things remain equal) is that things did not remain equal. The effect of the Club's decision to include 18s to 24s as dependents within family memberships was to produce a 6-year automatic growth in gross membership (even if paying units remained level or declined) and that is obviously still being played out, year by year.
I know of no other membership organisation which regards 19-year olds, 20-year-olds, 21-year-olds, 22-year-olds and 23-year-olds as (effectively) children. Since these are the offspring of A B C1 households, because of the SCGB's demographic, they will generally have fled the nest at these ages to enter higher education etc.
For that reason - particularly when determining membership growth percentages - I think it's best to work with paying subscription units only.
But suit yourself .... sir.
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