 Poster: A snowHead
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And now for something completely different. Here's one for everybody (that wants to) to join in:
Not a trick question, no hidden agenda. But.... for the purposes of this thread, can we limit the term "artificial slope" to just "Dry", and not to include Indoor Snow? We can open it out later, if deemed necessary etc.
The purpose being to exchange information, experiences, ask questions etc. of the differences between the two environments. It can be as simple as "it hurts more on dendix" (or even what's dendix).
I'll kick off.
1. There are more thumb injuries on traditional (Dendix) dry slopes, compared with on the mountain 
2. To my knowledge, There's Dendix, Snowflex, Permasnow, Playgrass. Anythine else?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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There's 760 miles difference between the two.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It is NOT the mountains - nuf said! 
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During the 3 years I worked on plastic I never had both thumbs in good order at the same time! Having said that, as most will know, I'm a great supporter of the plastic fantastic when you can't get to the mountains for the real thing. 
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For the thumb-phobic (especially after reading this thread) - many dry ski slopes are replacing their beginner slope surface with Playgrass or Permasnow, so no diamonds to get those thumbs caught in! Plus if/when you fall, it's "springy"
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graeme, Always knew there was something not quite right about him.........
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Permasnow is just plain vile - although much better for falling on so the freestylers like it (and probably much better for beginners too). Significantly less grip even than Dendix, wrecks your skis signficiantly faster, and wears through is moments. When you hit a bald patch, expect your skis and you to go flying - so dangerous for performance skiing. Bracknell's Club have given up any attempts at training there, and in recognition of the fact they never expect to be able to do so again are changing their Club's name as of next year. Similarly, Chatham and Medway no longer train at Chatham (AFAIAA). Snowflex is alleged to be better, but I've never skied on it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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How do you install gates into Permasnow/Snowflex?
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FenlandSkier, probably less danger with a good bit of webbing between the digits  .
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You know it makes sense.
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My right thumb still sometimes hurts after falling on Dendix several years back, it can also make a nasty bruise on your bottom. Snow can hurt as well, especially if you fall on ice or use your face as the first point of impact (speaking from personal experience).
Other than that a would agree with GrahamN's points.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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veeeight, with difficulty. I think there's a major problem with Snowflex, as it's a continuous carpet. Permasnow is essentially large carpet tiles (edit: maybe 1.5m x 2m IIRC) with velcro joins, so you can lift up a seam, slide a baseplate under it with the pole sticking up through the seam. Setter's nightmare as you have only limited adjustments on positioning - essentially just along the 1 dimensional path ( ) of the seam. The time I tried it, the bases were not strong enough and some poles got destroyed after about half an hour's non particularly aggressive use. The mark 2 version were a bit stronger AFAIAA. We were due to have a race at Bracknell early this season, and our kids had been training there once a month, so it is just about possible. The region gave up on the idea though and moved the race to a Dendix slope.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon 17-09-07 21:49; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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ickabodblue, I don't actually spend a lot of time of artificial (thank f****)
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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veeeight, lucky you, some of us have no other option. You can't put poles on snowflex as yet though I'm sure someone will come up with a way. It is softer to fall on ( I have wide experience of this) but harder to hold an edge.
Next time your in Glasgow I'd be happy to show you round the dry slope ! 
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What, and be shown up by a spotty 13yo dry slop racer?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Dry slope skiing is like drinking cod liver oil. It is horrible but good for you.
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Any technique differences? From my very limited dry slope experience (about six hours in the last decade) some of the very good slalom skiers seem to create much bigger angles with their knees than seems to be the case with good skiers on snow.
Have to say that I'm regretting avoiding skiing on plastic for such time. Although it is a bit 'cod liver oilish' I have no doubt that if I do it frequently enough and have some structure to the time I spend on plastic my skiing will undoubtedly improve.
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Any technique differences?
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Well. How to answer that without opening another can of worms?
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veeeight,
1) I have hurt thumbs a couple of times on snow, never on Dendix.
2) There was also a system made by Curver (also make washing up bowls) for the dry slopes in the Netherlands which used square tiles that locked together and about 30 years ago a system using hexagonal yellow tiles but I can't remember what it was called.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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GrahamN, Snow gate spacings are 6-13m for open and closed gates, 12-18m for delay gates.
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You know it makes sense.
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| GrahamN wrote: |
Skating across flat bits is very hard work :( .
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Do liners pack out faster with dry slope use?
Do sidewalls get worn down with dry slope use?
Does anyone still use the collapsible-plate-stack grips such as Marker mounted on their Twincam poles ca. 1992?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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You should never ski plastic wearing shorts - believe me.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Mosha Marc, Shell Suit?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thanks guys, I'm now shitting myself on going on a dry slope 
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| Timmaah wrote: |
| Thanks guys, I'm now shitting myself on going on a dry slope |
I was very anxious before starting to ski on plastic a couple of weeks ago, but much to my surprise it was nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be.
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Timmaah, don't worry about it! I'm sure there are probably far fewer serious injuries on dry slopes than there are on snow, and as for whether it's good fun or not, just have a look at the kids in the local race club.
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rob@rar, just wait till you fall backwards and put your hands out to brake your fall... Twice last year i came out of my c**p rental bindings doing backwards snow ploughs and both times a thumb went.....
I have only had one kid get hurt to be fair (a bad pinky finger break) but the accident book is now in a BIG lever arch file 
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skimottaret, you're not helping! I think the lesson to be learned is not to snowplough backwards on plastic...
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rob@rar, i have spent more time going backwards than forwards on plastic. but now have my own skis so hopefully wont pop out again. 99kg of lard leaning uphill was more than the punter skis could take
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skimottaret,
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FAQ
( I secretly quite like Dendix ) 
), but he is pretty much the extreme case. I would probably agree that there is more lateral knee 