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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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...which implies stoatsbrother and Hurtle never agree on anything. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hurtle, I think the key word in the sentence was "realise"... I didn't say it happened often. Are you sure you have had your pedant skills appraised and revalidated recently? 
Anyway - thread creep. Lets move on.
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My only real opinion is that this particular sub-forum would be have tumbleweed blowing across it if only appropriately qualifies people were entitled to post on it.
Most readers are capable of distinguishing between credible posters and junk advice I'd have thought.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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stoatsbrother, Who (whom) are you calling a thread creep? 
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Hurtle, 
fatbob, absolutely agreed. The trouble comes - in another place - when people say they are qualified instructors despite not having taught for decades.
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easiski,
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V8 is not self-appointed
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Actually, I wasn't trying to imply that he's unqualified, hence the 'and/or.' In my view stoatsbrother was being excessively judgmental in this instance and I was just trying to say that veeight was not the only contributor to this forum who sometimes spoke as though his view was the only tenable one and that all other views were rubbish.
Personally, I greatly value your and his contributions to technical debates and, if in doubt, would probably tend to favour your views over those of the 'talented amateurs.' However, being 'qualified' doesn't necessarily mean that one has the answer to everything. I am fully qualified and very experienced in my own profession but one thing is certain: the day on which I think I know all the answers will be the day on which I professionally fall flat on my face!
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Personally, I am glad that the instructors on here take part, and it's great when they are helpful and encouraging to everyone on here, and show an ability to discuss ideas and consider different concepts.
So, would the vociferous few who are trying to witch hunt the instructors off here please stop doing it.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Hurtle, who are you calling a creep?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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easiski, you're clearly reading a completely different thread from me  !! As the most vociferous 'antagonists' on the previous page are slikedges and me, where on earth do you get the view that we are the "same ones who don't think it's important for ski teachers to be properly qualified", and "one or two members would prefer that those of us with qualifications would just go away"? We have both said that we greatly appreciate the instructors' contributions on this forum, and give their views significantly more weight than amateurs'. Of course you guys know more about this stuff than we do - but we do have brains and can see contradiction (either between yourselves, or on occasion with the laws of physics) when it's there. stoatsbrother has already given an example of where V8 was quite dismissive of other professionals' strong advice. I largely agreed with V8 in 'the ankles thread', against the strong opposition of Martin Bell, except he destroyed his own argument by grossly overstating it.
However, as Hurtle says, the day on which a professional thinks they know all the answers will be the day on which they professionally fall flat on their face! (Think about Professor Edwards in the dual cot death case). This is nothing about "a witch hunt here against the qualifieds", but against the arrogance that regards their own statements as ex-cathedra with dismissive put downs against reasoned counter-argument, and if some of us are finally sticking our heads over the parapet it's becasue we're sick of it - as this is far from the first time. So we have to sit and accept unconditionally whatever you guys say, however contradictory?
Q. What's the difference between God and a Ski Instructor?
A. God doesn't think he's a Ski Instructor.
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You know it makes sense.
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Hurtle, I am really confused here. I thinkyou have totally misinterpreted my views and those of another couple of posters and am actually rather offended. Are we reading the same thread?
I would like to see more instructors like ssh and easiski post and have never ever queried their advice. veeeight posted some quite trenchant and controversial views about pole usage some months ago and showed little willingness to listen to other peoples views on the subject. In this thread - which was not slagging instructors at all - but was about at what point someone should stop calling themselves an instructor or claiming their qualification was relevant - veeeight popped up and again trashed the value of others opinions. When called on his behaviour by GrahamN and slikedges he made it out to be their problem rather than his.
Wear The Fox Hat, you are way out of order here. No one has said they want to see fewer instructors. No one is hounding them. One of them is implying other people should keep their worthless opinions to themselves.
easiski, of course instructors generally know more - where does anyone say anything else? I have skied with at least one sH who skis better than many instructors, but who would not be able to teach it. This thread is about stopping people - and we all know who I mean - claiming expertise on the basis of ancient qualifications with no recent instructing experience.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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stoatsbrother,
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and remember how he said we were all wrong to take out wrists out of straps in trees or in any off-piste conditions? however many mountain guides or other experience instructors have said the opposite.
Of course he must be right, we are humble mere mortals, how dare we question that there might be some dodgy under-qualified idiots masquerading as instructors? We are simply not worthy
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I just thought this was a bit of an over-reaction to veeeight's alleged misdemeanour. And I was referring to this forum generally, not just this thread, when implying that lots of people tend to get carried away with their own perceived infallibility or, at least, to misquote Mr Gladstone on his arch-rival (or was it the other way round?) inebriated with the exuberance of their own verbosity. Sorry if you were offended. I seem to remember being advised to grow a thicker skin on 'tinternet!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Wear The Fox Hat, you are way out of order here. No one has said they want to see fewer instructors. No one is hounding them. One of them is implying other people should keep their worthless opinions to themselves.
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I guess I didn't write very clearly. I apologise for that. I thought that my two sentences were clear, but obviously not as clear as I intended.
I took the comments that easiski had made, and added my agreement to them. I did not name any names. (so, I guess both myself and easiski are "way out of order"?)
My addition was the first sentence - instructors who are helpful/encouraging/open are a positive resource here. Instructors (in fact anyone) who are discouraging/dogmatic are not a positive resource.
As I say, I apologise if you felt my previous post was a personal attack at you, and I hope you can accept that I did not intend to be out of order in any way.
(but if you want to be dogmatic in your response/attitude then I've probably wasted my time typing this )
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I think this topic began as a rather interesting and particularly informative discussion about gaining and maintaining instructor qualifications but has rather lost its way.
Anyone object if I prune it back into shape?
Last edited by Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person on Tue 26-06-07 11:39; edited 1 time in total
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I just checked back to see how all this started and it was with the following, throwaway line, culminating in a wink:
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| Given the number of armchair experts on this forum regularly dishing out skiing advice, I'm surprised that the topic of a real instructor's skiing qualifications and validations appears to be of importance . |
I tend to agree with Easiski's view that
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| it may be true that V8 has posted in haste |
Yes, it was rather an arrogant thing to say, but it's easy to toss away a line like that, most probably meant at least half in jest, if one is professionally qualified in the field in question. I have ranted about barrack room lawyers many times, sometimes not all that politely (  ) and no doubt you can sometimes become impatient with amateur medics. I just think that the reaction to veeeight's throwaway line - and admittedly, he didn't exactly help himself by letting loose another one ("so many errors, so little time")"! - has been way out of proportion. And it annoys me that both on this forum and on the 'other' one, a single pompous or unguarded remark so often unleashes a floodgate of many, many more, equally pompous, remarks. But I guess that's just the nature of the beast: the quotation posted by veeeight was amusing and in point.
/rant.
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Wear The Fox Hat, forget it - no worries - I agree with you we need more rather than fewer instructors. I took your post as criticising GrahamN and slikedges and me for "witch-hunting" - when I don't think this is the case.
Hurtle, veeeight trashed the validity of the opinion of all those who are not instructors. read the threads that GrahamN alludes to if you want to see his MO. Perhaps you might then see who is being judgemental here? And you know very well who I meant as a possible "dodgy underqualified idiot" - and they haven't posted on this thread... yet... I have obviously done something to pee you off considering recent posts of yours. Sorry for whatever it was.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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admin, It seems to have settled down now. pruning it or locking it will only draw attention to it. Achilles question has been asked and answered and I think the thread will die a natural death.
However - your site - your rules - your T&Cs...
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admin, I don't think censorship is required. I get confused when history is changed!
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admin,
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I think this topic began as a rather interesting and particularly informative discussion but has rather lost its way.
Anyone object if I prune it back into shape?
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Not at all. To get back on topic myself, I would hope that no self-respecting professional would deny that some compulsory continuing education (definitely) and revalidation (possibly) are a good idea - at least in any field in which it is necessary to be qualified to be able to practise at all. All professional bodies should self-regulate to this end. In my experience, some professions do that better than others: solicitors are pants at it. 
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Hurtle, I can see the point of continuing education, and professional bodies can do as they please, but I think it can turn into a bit of racket if care isn't taken.
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laundryman,
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it can turn into a bit of racket if care isn't taken.
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Too right - that's what I meant about solicitors!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Hurtle, "I just hate tit-for-tat ranting " -
so what exactly are you doing on a web forum?! Take a look at TGR sometime for the real deal!
pax
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You've all had your last words. I'm having mine  .
On another thread:
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I am always skeptical about the mechanical, as opposed to the psychological, role of the ankle in tipping the ski. If you can fine-tune your edge angle using your ankles, then surely your boots don't fit very well!
But I do concede that the tension, created by trying to "tip" the ankle within the confines of a stiff ski boot, may play a role in aiding feedback and balance for other areas of the body. |
I'm sure this is right. If boots fit well at the cuff then any lateral movement whether at ankle or forefoot inside of the laterally rigid boot will not be directly transferred to the outside of the boot. If at the cuff the boots are looser laterally but at the ankle and forefoot the boots are quite tight, movement of the latter will translate more directly into movement of the outside of the boot. |
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This isn't just one hasty post it's a pattern of behaviour, equivalent to me often saying stuff like Hurtle, wake up, there's a good fellow or easiski, read what's on the page.
Wear The Fox Hat, I read your post the same way stoatsbrother did.
admin, I'm done.
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You know it makes sense.
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slikedges,
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Hurtle, wake up, there's a good fellow
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My last word is: I'm not a fellow!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hurtle, that's four or five words (depending on your definition).
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Poster: A snowHead
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laundryman, Groan, I just knew one of the other pedants was going to say that, it was just a question of which one it would be. As stoatsbrother implied, I probably need to do some continuing education. My problem, you will understand, was to keep my post within the implied context of the expression 'to have the last word.' But I agree, I was gramatically at fault. I'd better shut up now, this is seriously off-topic.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Oops
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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It's fascinating how quick witchhunts turn ugly!
*gets popcorn out*
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veeeight, Hang on in there, and defend your corner! Some of us not-so-expert amateurs really do appreciate your advice, even if your attitude occasionally gets up people's noses. I can think of very few sHs whose attitude doesn't get up my nose at some time or another, it's the nature of the beast/t'internet.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Hurtle, thanks for your kind words! But I don't really see any value of degrading the thread any further, it is, after all, only t'internet!
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veeeight, Fair enough, abandon the thread, but don't abandon us altogether!
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Blimey no! I read the thread morbid fascination, and don't worry, there's no danger of me doing a David Goldsmith!
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A joke
Little boy: Mummy, Mummy, there's naked ski instructor running around the bottom of the garden!
Mummy (assuming it's a man) says: How do you know he's a ski instructor?
Little boy: Because he's got a small c*ck and he keeps talking about himself!
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