 Poster: A snowHead
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OK, so how the devil DO you get up when you've fallen in powder? Assuming you've got your skis back on...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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cross your poles into a + shape and use them to push down on...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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or just get a snow board and come over to the Dark Side !
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eng_ch, as kitenski said, cross your poles at near right angles, hold them at the crossing and use this as a platform from which to push up from the side rather than just pulling yourself up from sitting/lying on your skis. It works amazingly well. Like you I can't get anywhere close to the "asian squat", but am just about strong enough to lever myself up along the length of the skis using just my legs - but as you say that doesn't really work in soft snow, but this does. Also, if you have a problem with being pulled back on your heels and are wearing a backpack, take off the backpack when trying to stand up - this is clearly more of an issue if you're touring as you may have 10kg on your back, but it can make a difference for more "normal" skiers too.
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GrahamN, daft question of the week here - presumably that cross is flat on the snow to spread the force, like snow shoes?
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eng_ch, you got it. It's better to seem daft asking the question than be daft not asking it. As someone said before, there're no daft questions, just daft answers!
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eng_ch, stretching, mobility exercises and core strength all help . . . even more will holding your pack out in front of you as a counterweight. A boarder trick is to sweep the snow around you into a compressed lump in front of you and use that to help lever yourself up.
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GrahamN, I have never heard of that. I can't see it working with my carbon fibre poles either. What I was taught was to cross the poles, hold at the crossing then stick the ends in the snow. But maybe I misunderstood? Which might explain why it never worked for me!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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David Murdoch, it may be less effective with those emaciated poles...serves you right for using them, but as a shortar$e lightweight you should still have no problem yourself  ! There is still the effect of the handles and baskets to spread the load though, so there's a chance it may still work.
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David Murdoch, i think you may have got the wrong end of the stick (geddit?). GrahamN's technique does work with skinny carbon poles, even for a big lad like me
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I can't see it working with my carbon fibre poles either. What I was taught was to cross the poles, hold at the crossing then stick the ends in the snow. But maybe I misunderstood? Which might explain why it never worked for me!
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The carbon fibre poles should work just fine. It's their shape, not their weight, which is doing the work by spreading your weight over a bigger area than if you just stuck one hand in the snow! But they have to be flat on the snow, along their whole length, to do that. It does work.
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Poster: A snowHead
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One bit of advice for if you fall - try not to take your skis off or you will sink up to your waist. Also, it is a lot easier to get back up and on your skies on a steep slope than on the flat, so whatever you do try not to fall over on either a very gentle slope or on the flat - it's much easier falling over on steep slopes. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I should have read this thread before I went skiing this weekend. As I haven't skied on powder since I was a small child and found my self turn uphill and sinking on a relatively easy blue (wide stance & very heavy on the inside edge of the botom ski). So I decided to side slip and "falling leaf" down the slope to avoid the rocks and falling over. As a result of this, I became was very "popular" with the powder lovers after flattening a track down the slope. I actually prefer ice to powder at least I know what I am doing on ice even though my legs sometimes ignore my instructions.
I'll have to try your suggestions after new year, as I am spending Christmas & the new year in the UK.
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Hi
Here is an exert from my film (or at least the script of) which focuses on a technique which transformed my off piste skiing.
'Recently I discovered for myself a way of thinking that reduces the sensation of being on a slope, therefore reducing fear, and at the same time improves weight placement, which improves control, therefore increasing confidence.
Whilst skiing steep off-piste I began to feel that I was no longer on a slope at all, but I was skiing along a flat surface and being pushed along by an invisible motor or magical force.
What happened was that, due to a light fog and flying powder, I lost all visual reference to the vertical. My brain had been fooled into seeing the snow as a flat surface, over which I seemed to be moving horizontally, by a process of optical Illusion combined with my sense of balance being tricked by my forward movement.
Later I tried to see if I could deliberately replicate this sensation and to my delight I found I could.
I quickly found myself more confident on very steep slopes and skiing powder and rough chopped up off-piste better than I ever have.
I haven’t heard other instructors talk about this technique, so I don’t know if anyone else does it, but I would recommend that everyone tries it for themselves.
So when you ski at moderate speed, look no further than about twenty feet, or about two turns in front of you. Try to block out the detail of objects like trees and buildings in your peripheral vision which would give reference to the vertical, (obviously keep the speed down, you don't want to go hitting anything) Just concentrate on the empty piste or instructor in front of you. Try to find the sensation that you’re on a flat surface being pushed along by a big invisible hand. This will place you 90 degrees to the snow at all times and stop you leaning or falling backwards.
It’s possible that it’s a bit like those 3D pictures you have to stare at, some people get it and some people don’t, but whether a beginner or expert, give it a try, it might be just the thing for you.'
Hope this helps
My film can be found at www.skiday.co.uk
Regards Skiday
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| skiday wrote: |
Whilst skiing steep off-piste I began to feel that I was no longer on a slope at all, but I was skiing along a flat surface and being pushed along by an invisible motor or magical force.
What happened was that, due to a light fog and flying powder, I lost all visual reference to the vertical. My brain had been fooled into seeing the snow as a flat surface, over which I seemed to be moving horizontally, by a process of optical Illusion combined with my sense of balance being tricked by my forward movement.
Later I tried to see if I could deliberately replicate this sensation and to my delight I found I could.
I quickly found myself more confident on very steep slopes and skiing powder and rough chopped up off-piste better than I ever have.
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Interesting idea - must try that - thanks!
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easy tip- use your arms in like your marching -the swinging of your arms transfers your weight lightly on to the opposite ski it might sound daft but it works and as a masque says if you want it easier still buy a board from observation most boarders i watch have the great technique of traversing across the falline with out making a turn then falling and swinging around on their behinds to repeat the proceedure again.Short wide skis have make a huge difference to the old long skinny skis it is far easier now than ever before the downturn is modean skis are far worse on ice and moguls.
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tomf, care for a saucer of milk with that one?
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it's over rated, skiing in powder. best not to try it at all. honest. 
