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Emergency kit - what should we carry?

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PhillipStanton wrote:
the space blanket has little, if none, insultating properties

Personally, I'd prefer to ski with a man who carries a duvet NehNeh.
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maggi wrote:
PhillipStanton wrote:
the space blanket has little, if none, insultating properties

Personally, I'd prefer to ski with a man who carries a duvet NehNeh.


Laughing Laughing Laughing but would you get insults or insulation with this? wink
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IncogSkiSno, Laughing

Sadly I don't remember his argument... he's quite experienced though and I should have listened harder. He is also mental. Maybe this had something to do with it.
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PhillipStanton, Not a great deal of trapped air. Also mountains are often windy environments making a blanket likely to blow about. Now a bivvy bag is another matter.
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Scarpa wrote:
PhillipStanton, Not a great deal of trapped air. Also mountains are often windy environments making a blanket likely to blow about. Now a bivvy bag is another matter.

I agree - a bivvy bag is much better. But so much heavier.
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I often have used a cheap long plastic garden waste bag as a rucksack liner, have used it overnight as the old elephant foot, leave inside rucksack and pull the lot up to your waist like a mini sleeping bag.
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Scarpa, How about a space blanket sleeping bag as opposed to the space blanket?

I guess if someone is lying injured though, a space blanket could be quite useful, whereas the sleeping bag wouldn't Confused
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Personally, I'd prefer to ski with a man who carries a duvet .
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That would be me then snowHead Well a down jacket anyway. When touring. snowHead
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I don't ski off piste so don't worry too much about whistles and phones etc

a friend of mine was snowboarding on a blue piste and was hit by a skier fracturing his leg and knocking him into the trees downhill of the run. The selfish skier skied off without stopping.
He lay there for 20 mins before being discovered by another skier because no one heard his cries, even his wife who he could see waiting a short way down the slope.
As a consequence I carry a plastic whistle around my neck more as a totem against this happening to me! Aren't people selfish!
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Where can you buy plastic whistles from? I think I am convinced enough to get them for the family.
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...a guide called Remy Lecluse who argued that they are the biggest waste of time ever...


That got me thinnking. A quick google search comes up with a post in a moutaineering forum which lead to HISYSTEMS website, which explained how a space blanket works, and how to use it;

http://www.hisystems.co.uk/technic.htm

The body loses heat in 5 ways: Convection, Conduction, Radiation, Evaporation and Respiration. The 'Life' Blanket helps reduce heat loss in four out of these five categories.

Convection
When wind blows against the skin, it helps speed up the processes of evaporation, making the person feel much colder (often known as the wind chill factor). The 'Life' Blanket forms an impermeable layer between the skin and the wind, helping to prevent heat loss through convection.

Conduction
Heat may be lost through contact with surfaces at a lower temperature than that of the body. Although the 'Life' Blanket's insulating properties help prevent this (particularly the thicker reusable blanket), the patient should always be placed on an insulated surface, if possible.

The blanket should not be wrapped too tightly, as the air trapped between the blanket and skin provides further insulation, helping to prevent conduction of heat to the outside environment.

Radiation
Heat is lost through radiation from all over the body. The 'Life' Blanket will reflect back over 90% of this radiated body heat, warming the patient in a natural and progressive fashion. It should be noted here that the hands, feet and as much of the head as possible should be covered by the blanket.

Evaporation
Heat is lost through the body's natural cooling system (perspiration) which evaporates from the skin. The Blanket, if used properly forms a closed tube around the patient. This increases the humidity of the air next to the skin, and slows down the evaporation process.

The only other way in which heat is lost is through respiration (breathing), and this should be attended to with an inhalation re-warming unit where one is available, or by covering the mouth and nose area with wool or a handkerchief.


HOW TO USE IT PROPERLY; http://www.hisystems.co.uk/howto.htm
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Where can you buy plastic whistles from

or Millets even for £3!
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Ray Zorro,.......Whistle dixie here
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Ray Zorro wrote:
Where can you buy plastic whistles from? I think I am convinced enough to get them for the family.


Plastic perry whistles (like on life jackets) should be about £1 each from outdoor stores
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Ray Zorro, I bought my whistle (on a lanyard with my swiss army knife around my neck) as part of a small first aid kit, which I carry in my backpack.
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just going back to the whole space blanket debate - despite the reduction in heat loss as explained above, theres also the benefit if off piste and hopeing to be rescued that a big shiney silver thing is a bit easier to see from a chopper
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frostie1861, fair enough.


Which reminds me. How many people know how to give basic hand signals to chopper pilots? All basics but very important when heading off piste...
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parlor, If we come to Verbier should we carry a spare bathroom?
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choppr hand signals? never even thought of that to be honest - i shall scour the net to see if theres an on line idiots guide
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what should we carry incase of an emergency


Ray Mears?
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helicopter hand signals - http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation/14014/css/14014_277.htm (sorry not sure how to do a proper link!)
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ah, i see it does it for me!
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helicopter hand signals
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I would probably end up doing crane driver signals rolling eyes

Is that it or are there more for more advanced peeps ?
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I've consolidated everything here - well, at least I hope I have.

Please edit and improve!
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I can't do wikis but would it be a good idea to have a link from the wiki to this thread?
Nice work by the way, but I hardly carry any of it. Embarassed
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T Bar wrote:
I can't do wikis but would it be a good idea to have a link from the wiki to this thread?
Nice work by the way, but I hardly carry any of it. Embarassed

Will do.

It's the first one I've done. Seriously, if you can edit text here then you can edit the wiki.

I'll do a link to here though.
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