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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Worth noting is the fact that the skiing scene has blatantly ridden on the back of the "cooler" boarding scene in terms of clothing and names for equipment.
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true, no doubt and we have to give thanks for the boarders who have lent some 'cool' to the real mountain activity that matters, but hey, we dont want to start the old debates, as a skier, I crave the board in powder, as a boarder I crave the skis everywhere else on the mountain, but hey, isn't that life all over...
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Yes we all want what we don't have at the time. My girlfriend often complains that I'm never happy....
martski, I'm intrigued - where are the french alps??
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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3 week snowboarder vs 3 week skier in a powder field I'd put my money on the boarder.
Most other places, abilities I'd bet on the skier.
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I was just curious 'cos if you've got a good Boarder and they go into that really low squat position and straight line it, they really can fly.
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Nickski, ever see a really good skier in a tuck?
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| Philip Prior wrote: |
| All things being equal skis are faster since they have less surface area than a board |
If this were true, boards would be faster. More surface area = more speed, broadly speaking.
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flicksta, I think you're right. skiing/boarding isn't "solid" friction but some weird kind of liquid laminar flow thingie. I don't believe surface area has as great an effect as it does with sand papered blocks sliding down wooden gradients...
I think the limiting factor at the velocities we're discussing is air resistance?
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| little tiger wrote: |
| , ever see a really good skier in a tuck? |
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flicksta wrote,
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If this were true, boards would be faster. More surface area = more speed, broadly speaking.
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Depends on the piste you are riding on. Hard piste - more surface area = more friction = slower speed. Soft (powder) - more surface area = more float = less drag from surrounding snow = more speed.
I've got ologies coming from my orifaces don't ya know. 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Who would love to see me stack at the end of the rendll speed run at 68.75 kmph lol?!
If you do, can someone tell me how i can upload a video to the site and you can have a look?
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You know it makes sense.
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It doesn't matter who gets down the hill fastest, it's having the most fun doing it that counts 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Board4Life, exactly. What's the point of going fast when there's all that lovely piste to sit down in the middle of? 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I usually have found when sliding with a mixed group the skiers are quicker. This is at an intermediate(or whatever we are calling it this week) level.
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A couple of years ago we measured a load of average skiers and UK pros in Zermatt by GPS by strapping one onto their arms and looking at the highest speed at the end of a blue and a black run.
I was pleasantly surprised to see that pretty normal, relaxed skiers can cruise at 25-30mph on a wide open blue, but didn't really go any faster on a black and in several cases went slower.
The fastest pro/semi-pro was Alex Murphy who grabbed a pair of Stockli Dom Perrets and pointed them down a pretty gnarly black - he hit 87mph which seemed pretty quick - there were a couple of guys right on his tail on fat twins so it wasn't just the kit. More the complete lack of fear and an ability to blank out the thought of the consequences...
When riding with good boarders they easily run alongside good skiers. It's only when you get into rubber or onto the flat that skiers seem to pull off. Have I just said something indecent?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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beeryletcher,
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Speed gun at St. Anton is just out the back door of the Rendl gondola. It's a tiny little run and those speeds are in KPH.
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Didn't know about that one, will have to give it a try in March. We did the one in Lech I think it was (Lech or Zurs anyway!)
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fallliner, What's 'getting into rubber' - in the Skiing sense I mean, because of course I'm well into rubber in the Apres scene. 
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I think you've stumbled onto my exact meaning...
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| beeryletcher wrote: |
flicksta wrote,
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If this were true, boards would be faster. More surface area = more speed, broadly speaking.
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Depends on the piste you are riding on. Hard piste - more surface area = more friction = slower speed. Soft (powder) - more surface area = more float = less drag from surrounding snow = more speed.
I've got ologies coming from my orifaces don't ya know. |
Sorry, more surface are = less friction. Same force applied over larger area equals less friction. However, as David Murdoch said, it isn't a simple situation, since we are actually riding on a liquid, since the snow surface melts. I am being some sort of physics nerd today.[/b]
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"Sorry, more surface are = less friction. Same force applied over larger area equals less friction."
'fraid not. Frictional force (in newtons) is generally dependant only on the coefficient of friction between the surfaces ( a dimensionless value) and the normal force (in newtons) The surface area does not appear anywhere in the equation.
The only time that the surface area plays a part is if the materials are such that there is a signifcant cohesive forcer between them. This only occurs between very similar materials.
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/PhysicsNet/Topics/Dynamics/Forces/FrictionalForce.html
But as has been said, we are not dealing with normal sliding friction here.
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davehk, Sliding (dynamic) friction and static friction are distinct concepts. For sliding friction, the force of friction does not vary with the area of contact between the two objects. This means that sliding friction does not depend on the size of the contact area.
Great. I am talking out of my @rse again.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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paulm, I know what they are really, was just hoping for some pics 
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dodgy link time
dont follow if you are going to be offended as you can guess what it's about.
http://ratemycameltoe.com/vote.php
Last edited by So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much  on Wed 13-09-06 13:52; edited 1 time in total
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You know it makes sense.
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flicksta, davehk, Sorry I should never have mentioned FRICTION, because, what I really meant was DRAG. This is what slows us down. This is different; large area creates more DRAG. If you don't believe me try parchuting with a hanky, instead of a canopy!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| beeryletcher wrote: |
| paulm, I know what they are really, was just hoping for some pics |
www.cameltoe.com
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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flicksta, Ditto !!!! Looks like this is gonna be a long lunch break 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Yeahh...now a thread i can live with. And who said snowheads was quiet in the summer!
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I don't know if I ski fast.
All I know is that the guys who saw me coming down the slope thought I had a blue jacket.
The guys who saw me from behind, skiing down, could have sworn it was red.
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Cedric, using doppler shift as a speed measurement is all down to the observers and I saw nothing
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Cedric, thats about warp 3 isnt it?
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Cedric, do you find that your mass increases just as you get into your stride?
Annoying as hell.
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Cedric, do you reach the bottom only to realise you got there before you set off?
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Bet I could beat you all down the hill to the nearest pub...snowboard...skis...blades....no bother.
But on the other hand if I did let you beat me, mines a John Smith's
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it's the same as freestyle ski gear, all the new stuff is cool. 
