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Flying to Munich with BA/Lufthansa, hand luggage only.
Strained a muscle in my back so have to take a smaller hard case 4 wheeler, normally fly with CabinMax backpack that fits helmet inside nicely.
I often see lots of skiers boarding with helmet attached to backpack, but never tried it myself - is there a chance I can be told to put it inside, don't think I will manage with this 20cm deep case ...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@nnnnnn, BA and Lufthansa have very different hand luggage policies (Lufthansa's is stricter). But I've travelled Lufthansa many times with a helmet clipped to my rucksack, and never had anyone bat an eyelid. You'll be fine.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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BA are fine with helmets clipped onto hand luggage.
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They know you will just put it on your head if they object.....
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As Rich says, wear it if they deny it.
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I thought of it but can see them easily referring to some made-up airline rule of no helmets on the head due to safety of other passengers or something like this.
Probably overthinking it, will try even though I found I can actually fit it into 20cm hard case .. but laptop screen will probably not survive
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Never had a problem.
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Never had a problem.
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TUI were allowing helmets on board two week ago..
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I never leave my helmet hanging out - its a precious thing .... 
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I usually chuck mine into the hold, but with mainstream airlines these days it's one legally sized [ie: big] cabin bag, plus one "personal item".
That second thing could be a helmet with your goggles in it.
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| phil_w wrote: |
I usually chuck mine into the hold, but with mainstream airlines these days it's one legally sized [ie: big] cabin bag, plus one "personal item".
That second thing could be a helmet with your goggles in it. |
I would argue very strongly that putting your helmet into the hold is how shall I put it "imprudent". Basically, you have no idea whether the helmet would have suffered an impact/crush event that would have fatally compromised its protection. Having watched an aeroplane being unloaded many years ago while sitting on the tarmac and the suitcases being thrown around it has informed my packaging when going on a plane.
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Basically, you have no idea whether the helmet would have suffered an impact/crush event
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OFFS. It's a helmet. Despite whatever the makers tell you, they can withstand multiple knocks, unless you buy one made of recycled egg shells. For example, I've had two crashes on the motorbike with the same helmet, both of which I bashed my bonce on something, which I then proceeded to use for the next 8 years without any issues.
My ski bash-hat has also been knocked multiple times and I'm still here. It's probably about time I got a new one, I bought it well over 15 years ago, maybe it's the stickers holding it together, I don't know!
Yes. I know someone will come up with his mates dogs uncle having broken his helmet after falling over somewhere, but really most of this is just scare mongery from the manufacturers that want you to buy a brand new shiny helmet every year and thus increase their profit year on year.
The worst thing that can happen to a bit of plastic/fiberglass/polycarb, is that it gets left out in the sun all the time.
Sorry, rant over!
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You know it makes sense.
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I think the op @nnnnnn, was enquiring about how likely it is that they can get away with taking a helmet in addition to hand luggage. A question I would also been keen to know. Flew Newcastle to Salzburg with Jet2 a couple of weeks ago and only noticed one passenger with helmet strapped to their backpack. I didn’t get the chance to ask about their experience but found Jet2 keen to get boarding over quickly and some passengers had some very large pieces of hand luggage. I am flying with Ryanair Manchester to Turin in 3 weeks and will probably need to take my helmet on the plane attached to my personal item, a 15ltr backpack so would be keen to now anyone’s experience. Thanks
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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[quote="gixxerniknik"]
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The worst thing that can happen to a bit of plastic/fiberglass/polycarb, is that it gets left out in the sun all the time.
Sorry, rant over! |
That is dangerous and factually incorrect advice. The various materials that helmets are made of are liable to suffer fatal weakening from impacts that are not visible to the naked eye. Sure getting the odd minor knock is not going to be a problem. However, the treatment of hold luggage can be extreme and you have absolutely no idea what your hold luggage has been subjected to. For example, I have just got back from Switzerland and the plank of wood I strap my skis to protect them from shipping damage is badly split. Also the plastic food container in my suitcase that I use to give some protection to my transceiver was shattered. Both those would have taken some considerable force to achieve and could easily have done invisible damage to a helmet rendering it unsafe.
Just because you have gotten away with something stupid does not make it a sensible course of action and recommending it to others is irresponsible.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Surrounded by various clothing and kit a helmet will suffer no impact problems in hold luggage. Just pack them sensible to avoid the danger of that.
And put your skis in sportubes if you are worried. I do. Because we have expensive skis.
Seems simple to me. If you value it, protect it.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| zikomo wrote: |
Surrounded by various clothing and kit a helmet will suffer no impact problems in hold luggage. Just pack them sensible to avoid the danger of that.
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Please stop with the dangerous factually incorrect advice. The only way to be sure your helmet does not suffer impact damage in the hold would be to pack it in a rigid case. The flight back from Zurich yesterday was obviously pretty brutal on the hold luggage as I saw a smashed up ridged suitcase on the belt.
I don't use a sportube for my skies for two reasons. Firstly back in the day when I purchased my first set of skis they didn't fit carving skis so I came up with my own solution. Secondly I cross pack into my skis in case an item of luggage goes missing. Sportubes are rubbish for that.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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My helmet is always attached to a CabinZero upper handle.
Had no problem so far with Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, Wizz, TUI (Crystal), ITA, El Al (not a ski destination for SHs), and Bulgaria Air.
I once smuggled a big Genepi bottle in my suitcase and it arrived shattered. No point in packing my helmet there with all the space it takes when I can use it to further hurt my back and hold my goggles' hard shell
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My wife checked her ski helmet in once, against my advice. It was inside a jacket and fleece in a soft DaKine roller bag.
When she unpacked it there as a huge dent in the shell and a crack in the EPS core.
Straight in the bin and we've strapped them outside carry on ever since.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@jabuzzard,
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The only way to be sure your helmet does not suffer impact damage in the hold would be to pack it in a rigid case
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This. Maybe that's what he meant.
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
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Basically, you have no idea whether the helmet would have suffered an impact/crush event
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OFFS. It's a helmet. Despite whatever the makers tell you, they can withstand multiple knocks, unless you buy one made of recycled egg shells. For example, I've had two crashes on the motorbike with the same helmet, both of which I bashed my bonce on something, which I then proceeded to use for the next 8 years without any issues.
My ski bash-hat has also been knocked multiple times and I'm still here. It's probably about time I got a new one, I bought it well over 15 years ago, maybe it's the stickers holding it together, I don't know!
Yes. I know someone will come up with his mates dogs uncle having broken his helmet after falling over somewhere, but really most of this is just scare mongery from the manufacturers that want you to buy a brand new shiny helmet every year and thus increase their profit year on year.
The worst thing that can happen to a bit of plastic/fiberglass/polycarb, is that it gets left out in the sun all the time.
Sorry, rant over! |
Just a couple of points of order:
1. it is not "scare mongery" by the manufacturers but an EU directive. Because a ski helmet is classed as PPE, a lifetime and conditions of retirement are mandated in the standard.
2. The sun is NOT the worst thing that can happen to your helmet, that would be an impact that weakens the structural integrity in a manor that decreases the helmets ability to absorb impact in a future collision, especially is that damage is not visible to the naked eye.
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| nnnnnn wrote: |
I thought of it but can see them easily referring to some made-up airline rule of no helmets on the head due to safety of other passengers or something like this.
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Easyjet were being massively militant in Liverpool last spring and stood with the card machine at boarding and getting 65 quid out of about 1 in 3 passengers as their bags weren't quite small enough. They didn't check when you checked in and could have done something about it (like put stuff in hold bags) so folk were quite miffed and it got quite heated at times! Despite the very strict enforcement of the rules, they were fine with helmets hanging off bags so you'll be fine.
They did let me wear my ski boots to board the plane though, which saved me 65 quid but I can't imagine is a great plan or one the Captain would have been happy about. Not the best footwear in case of an emergency evacuation. I did change as soon as I got to my seat...
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@Dashed, I think that's their default position now, I got my carry on checked on both flights the other week. I did have to remove some headphones to put them in a coat pocket ...and then it all went in the overhead lockers anyway.
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@gixxerniknik, you seem to be missing the point, the shell of the helmet has little to do with it's performance, so the effects of UV aren't critical...or at least not unless you leave it on the window call all year round or you've had it for a length of time that it should be replaced anyway.
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@SnoodyMcFlude, you're probably right, conversations move. But I thought I was kind replying to the people that insist on taking the bash hat on as hand luggage because it's far too likely to get broken if in the hold.
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Sorry to derail the thread a bit, but what's the period after which it's recommended a helmet be replaced? I wasn't aware of this recommendation. 
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@gixxerniknik, I believe that the generally-accepted advice with helmets is that if they take a bad knock, they should be replaced. Question is how to define “bad”.
I certainly did that with my bike helmet after I departed the bike via the handlebars and used the helmet as the main landing gear. It actually did not look “too” bad, but decided it was not worth the risk.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@ulmerhutte, thank you
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Poster: A snowHead
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
| @SnoodyMcFlude, you're probably right, conversations move. But I thought I was kind replying to the people that insist on taking the bash hat on as hand luggage because it's far too likely to get broken if in the hold. |
Nobody said it was far too likely to get broken. The issue is that it can suffer invisible damage that would render it unable to protect you in the event of an impact. As such putting a helmet in the hold is extremely foolhardy and advising people that it is perfectly safe is dangerous advice.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Can someone help me out with this "invisible damage"? If I drop my helmet, do I need to throw it away and buy a new one? Seems if a helmet cannot survive being mishandled in checked baggage, then it is a crap helmet and shouldn't ever be used.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Easy solution of concerned. Boots/ WHSmith or similar bag such as you get in the airport, helmet in that with any snacks/ papers etc. carry on in hand.
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| jabuzzard wrote: |
| [..As such putting a helmet in the hold is extremely foolhardy and advising people that it is perfectly safe is dangerous advice. |
-shrug- my 400mm lens is way more fragile and expensive than a helmet, and yet it flies in the hold no problem!
If you can't work out how to carry stuff safely in the hold, you could ask. Dangerous my ass
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| phil_w wrote: |
| jabuzzard wrote: |
| [..As such putting a helmet in the hold is extremely foolhardy and advising people that it is perfectly safe is dangerous advice. |
-shrug- my 400mm lens is way more fragile and expensive than a helmet, and yet it flies in the hold no problem!
If you can't work out how to carry stuff safely in the hold, you could ask. Dangerous my ass |
Interesting I have a Gog-box which is a hard plastic case for goggles imported from the USA. I am on my second because the first got smashed in a suitcase in the hold, though the goggles survived. As someone else in the thread pointed out their wife's helmet was caved in after being put in the hold. Like I said when I got back from Zurich on Saturday a ridged hard suitcase was going around the baggage belt smashed up with a huge crack in it and held together with tape with markings from the airport saying it had been damaged in transit.
So unless you put your helmet in a ridged box in the hold (I have done that in the past) there is nothing you can do to be sure that the helmet is not going to suffer significant impacts and/or crushing. I would at this point note that this will not necessarily protect it if the impact is severe enough, just let you know that it has suffered a significant impact. As this could fatally compromise its ability to protect you in an impact but be invisible to the naked eye putting your helmet in the hold is reckless idiocy and advising others that it is safe to do so is dangerous advice. If you want to risk your life then so bit it, telling others that it's just fine is not Ok.
Unfortunately for a range of reasons, people are frequently unwilling to accept they might be wrong. Clearly, you fall into this category as does everyone else saying there is no problem putting helmets in the hold.
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| phil_w wrote: |
| jabuzzard wrote: |
| [..As such putting a helmet in the hold is extremely foolhardy and advising people that it is perfectly safe is dangerous advice. |
-shrug- my 400mm lens is way more fragile and expensive than a helmet, and yet it flies in the hold no problem!
If you can't work out how to carry stuff safely in the hold, you could ask. Dangerous my ass |
A damaged lens isn’t going to not protect you head now is it?
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I think everyone would agree a helmet with a large crack is a problem. The question is whether a helmet in checked baggage that came out with no cracks is an issue?
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I bought a nice metal cabin case that I also used to check in. I did fly a lot mind you, but my metal case is all bashed to bits and I’ve panel beaten it a few times. Bought after watching my canvas samsonite case On a runway getting soaked
It is a Hartmann 7R master so not a flimsy thing.
Luggage in the hold does take a battering
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