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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
@rob@rar,
 I was used to 13m skis & tried some 17m, I put them on edge to carve & just fell over, ito the turn, when they didn't turn as I was used to. |
Yeah, that's what I always say if I fall over - different skis today. Number 23 in the skiers book of excuses, IIRC.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| But if you are skidding the ski sideways it doesn't matter so much, so you could be on any old planks. |
So about 90% of recreational skiers
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@Dr John, titter
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Dr John wrote: |
| rob@rar wrote: |
| But if you are skidding the ski sideways it doesn't matter so much, so you could be on any old planks. |
So about 90% of recreational skiers |
Oooh, that's harsh. I'm sure it's no more than around 75% 
On a (slightly) more serious note, the shorter the radius, the more difficult it is to make it side-slip consistently. Not impossible, but as it's an exercise I often use in teaching I've noticed this and experimented with it myself. My fat old 26m Radius Salomon Rocker2s are soo much easier than my 13m slalom Heads. Stiffness probably plays a role as well.
I do love to vary skis when teaching - it can really help understand the differences, and sometime make you more aware of the difficulties a student might be experiencing.
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@Chaletbeauroc, "the shorter the radius, the more difficult it is to make it side-slip consistently"
Quite. My old FIS SLs were disappointingly crap in bumps. Although it has to be noted that bumps racers are on +/- kinda GS profiles.
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The 'Rotate and Slide' method of doing bumps is not the way it's normally taught today. I still use and teach it, but not specifically aimed at real moguls, more as a 'get out of jail free' card, for difficult mixed terrain, but I got a real shock the first time I tried it on my BASI L3 tech (which I failed for said bumps first time around).
Engelberg, where I'd been mainly skiing for the years before that really doesn't develop much in the way of mogul fields and that method had worked well on what there were, but to ski the tight lines through short, steep-sided bumps expected at that level a longer radius, or indeed just longer, ski makes it much more difficult. Short slalom skis are what you need.
A quick web search seems to suggest that the length is much more a factor than the radius - I'm not really expert enough in bumps to comment further on that - but as most GS skis are also longer the same result will apply if you're choosing between them whichever is the more driving factor.
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@Chaletbeauroc, interesting. How is it taught today? Sorry, ignore that question please, I'll start a thread 
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Even if you want to carve your way through bumps I doubt an FIS SL is ideal - the tails are just too unforgiving when you hit something hard with your weight in the wrong place. I have a pair and love them on piste but they aren't great for speed control in the bumps and speed control is 90% of the solution in the bumps (unless Chaletbeauroc is going to teach us differently)
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