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spyderjon, Don't forget the fat skis 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| beanie1, Are you coming to the Lions on Mon 3rd?. There's a few of us going. |
What, this next Monday?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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marc gledhill, Yeah, this coming Monday. Any chance of you bringing your Legend 8800's with you?
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rockyrobin, expecting deep stuff?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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marc gledhill, Hehe, it's much more interesting when you have no sidecut to ride 
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Hi Guys,
Unfortunately I can't make it tomorrow night. But I do absolutely promise that as soon as I move into my new flat in Manchester (it should be ready in 4 to 5 weeks...or so they say...) I will make it over on a Monday night. It will cut the journey home by about 30 mins, which should make it more of a bearable drive!
Selina
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Have many of the gentlemen here tried Volkl or other brand piste-chickie skis in bumps?
The longer sizes are sometimes available for quite nice prices.
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rockyrobin don't forget the weight bias assumptions. 
chickstars, exclusives, and even the old V44s worked really well for me.
(Of course, no review on earth will help in this, so length is a bit of a guessing game)
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Folks, here we go again arguing the (de/m)erits of one ski against another when the true story is that
"technique has a lot more to do with it than kit. "
I think anyway.
I prefer a quicker, stiffer ski in bumps. But then, I think the secret of bumps is knowing how to make a single turn. All the rest follow. Know what I mean??
I've just edited. If you don't know what I mean no ski will ever allow you to ski bumps - assuming your and my definitions are the same.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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David Murdoch, How do you know technique is my problem? Maybe you've seen me ski, I wouldn't know. For all you know I may be quite good at skiing bumps already and just wanting to go the next level with more specialised kit. 
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rockyrobin, my apologies if it came across this way - I'm not trying to impugn your skiing or reputation. Honest. I didn't suggest your technique was a problem.
You're quite right, I have no idea how you ski. I'm just a little skeptical about "bumps" skis. Yes, if you're racing SL, GS, etc. a specialised ski is necessary but not so for bumps, IMHO. Unless you are fall-lining competition ziplines...
In recent years I have happily skied bumps on all sorts of things including my own 160cm 9Xs, 178 B4s, 188 SG skis, 210cm and 218cm DH skis. Some made life relatively harder, some relatively easier. None turned me into a bump meister or stopped me skiing the fall line. (OK, the 218s nearly did).
For most people I know, many of whom ski very well in most conditions, bumps remain a challenge and one that isn't fixed by buying new kit. It would be fixed by intuitively understanding how to ski them and lots of practice. Oh and probably some motivation too...
I will also admit that I don't know what most WC freestylers are currently using (Jennifer Heil seems to favour Hart F17s) but a quick trawl round the web suggests they're on fairly straight, skinny (and possibly?) stiff skis. I wouldn't go for the straight ones myself but if you're really desperate Rossignol produce a "Scratch Moguls" and the aforementioned Harts have a WC version. You might find this article helpful http://www.skimag.com/skimag/fall_line/article/0,12795,344434,00.html
BTW, I cannot believe you have anything missing from your quiver!
As a last word, I'd recommend the Rossi 9S as a splendid piste ski and if you want to fall for the marketing, allegedly the MUTIX allows you to change radius from SL to GS. I hear it's a fine ski but rather expensive...
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Feel free to expand in the "Good Bumps Skiing" thread already there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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rockyrobin, glad I could help - you'll find them very helpful in bumps, good off piste and absolutely horrible on ice - don't try it!!!! Seriously, a park ski is a pretty good all-round ski as long as you don't want to carve on hard snow. Which ones did you get?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Sorry to bump this 16 year old thread, but it seemed easier than starting a new one.
Same Question...they provided
I'm off to the End of Season Bash next week and this year I want to improve my mogul technique.
I'll probably rent a pair from the Oxalys, its been a couple of years since we've been there and Salomon X-Max X12 was the prefered piste ski on offer. I won't mind at all if they still have those, I liked them.
Anyway what's the current top mogul picks?
Perhpaps: Hero Elite ST Ti ?
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| DrLawn wrote: |
Sorry to bump this 16 year old thread, but it seemed easier than starting a new one.
Same Question...they provided
I'm off to the End of Season Bash next week and this year I want to improve my mogul technique.
I'll probably rent a pair from the Oxalys, its been a couple of years since we've been there and Salomon X-Max X12 was the prefered piste ski on offer. I won't mind at all if they still have those, I liked them.
Anyway what's the current top mogul picks?
Perhpaps: Hero Elite ST Ti ? |
Bumping a thread about a Bump Ski seems somewhat appropriate. 
Are you looking for a more dedicated Bump ski - or a Piste Ski that's not too bad?
I'd have thought those Elites might be a bit stiff to be ideal - but I'm far from an Expert in this. Personally, I would look for something a little shorter than normal, with softer Tips, but especially softer Tails, that is fairly light, easy to pivot and has a Rocker at the front (and probably at the back as well). Generally something with not too tight a Turn Radius is also recommended, I think.
I don't have specific recommendations, but think the likes of Line, Black Crow and Armada make something.
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@Old Fartbag,
Yes I agree, the Heros may be a bit on the stiff side, but you have to get to the bumps.
But I dont want anything too noodly ..
Looking at those 16 year comments SpyderJon was recommending Atomic Meteron back then.
I loved them back in the day ... really heavy ski.
I'll make the most of what I can get.
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Be a midget like me and any old ski will do, no? It must surely be more difficult to negotiate bumps with long skis, isn't it?
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@DrLawn, heavy? They redefined heavy…I think they were made out of collapsed neutron stars…
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@DrLawn, What I can tell you, is that my Scott The Ski are surprisingly good (as in easier - which I need) in Moguls, as well as Piste and Off Piste. The Slight could be similar, but I think might be a touch stiffer.
The previous model Rossignol Experience 88Ti was supposed to be a good choice....if looking at the New version, the Experience 86 Basalt should be decent (a little softer than the Ti) and is also good On Piste.
IMV. None of the above skis are "Noodly", with the Rossis having a Tail Rocker....and all of them are likely to be easier to manage than the Elites.
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Thu 7-04-22 12:15; edited 1 time in total
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New skis won't improve your mogul technique
Anyway what's the current top mogul picks?
Perhpaps: Hero Elite ST Ti ?
Idone
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@DrLawn, I have been reading good things about Dynastar's M-Pro 90 ability in moguls.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Wed 13-04-22 9:33; edited 2 times in total
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I have been reading good things about Dynastar's M-Pro 90 ability in moguls.
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Damn. I bought some of these. Now I have no excuses left for being rubbish in moguls... 
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I have been reading good things about Dynastar's M-Pro 90 ability in moguls.
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Damn. I bought some of these. Now I have no excuses left for being rubbish in moguls... |
I take it you haven't used them yet. They appear to be a very good All Round ski, that seems to have slipped under the radar.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Old Fartbag, I tried them at the Hemel ski test and loved them there, which is good going for something Dynastar calls a freeride ski. I picked them up in the sales a few weeks ago - looking forward to getting on them properly next season. Agree that I haven't seen much talk about them.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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My son uses 15 year old Elan mogul skis, straight, narrow, stiff at the back and flexible at the front. Skiing with him on firm pistes like this morning is amusing, the fronts wander off in different directions and he can’t carve. They work ok when we get to the bumps though.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| DrLawn wrote: |
Sorry to bump this 16 year old thread, but it seemed easier than starting a new one.
Same Question...they provided
I'm off to the End of Season Bash next week and this year I want to improve my mogul technique.
I'll probably rent a pair from the Oxalys, its been a couple of years since we've been there and Salomon X-Max X12 was the prefered piste ski on offer. I won't mind at all if they still have those, I liked them.
Anyway what's the current top mogul picks?
Perhpaps: Hero Elite ST Ti ? |
You can ski moguls on any ski but you tend to ski them differently depending on the ski.
For me, the classic mogul technique is about pivoted turns, deep flexion to absorb impacts, controlled extension to maximise ski contact and speed control down the backs of the moguls.
For that you don't actually want a stiff, carving tool like the Hero's you are suggesting. You want something softer with a less shaped tail. I suspect a lot of park skis are actually really good for bumps.
I'd go for something with tip and tail rocker about 80-90mm waist - I guess a modern all mountain ski?
All that said, over easter I skied quite a lot of moguls on
Whitedot R108 186 CL (28m radius)
some old Salomon FIS SLs (so 165cm and 13m radius)
Neither optimal but both work pretty well with some technique adjustment. The SLs need more care though!
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