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@tangowaggon, look at Rab on Sport Pursuit
I’ve not had an outer layer of theirs but have had piles of the mid layers before (gilets, puffa jackets etc) and it’s been good stuff for the money.
Mammut is good stuff as well, had a brilliant rucksack of theirs but had it in a sale.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| rjs wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, Why not start with new baselayers that you can wash, then pick the top layers that provide the correct temperature for you. |
Actually, I'm seeing it from the other perspective, I'm looking for an outer layer that provides wind and weather protection and ventilation when needed but using base layers to provide the correct temperature for the conditions, as I say, I don't currently wear any base layer under my salopettes so if I add a base layer under my current salopettes that are too warm already?
I had a dig around my kit & found a "merino" long sleeve shirt from Lidl that I tried but didn't like it, it certainly didn't wick moisture away from my skin at all, just left me feeling wet & sticky
May be I just do what I did to the hood on my last ski jacket that was too warm & rip out the insulation from my salopettes? might try it on my old ones first,
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
Yes, this is exactly what I am saying, I want to move away from wearing very little under an insulated outer layer to wearing an easily washable layer under an uninsulated outer, I was just after pointers to where to get the outer layer I describe. |
IMV. The reasons for going with Gore-tex Pro, is any brand using it has to meet a quality standard, it has a robust guarantee and very high breathability/waterproof specs.
Marino Wool isn't for everybody.
IMO. It is important that you buy into the concept of "Moisture Management", through the correct choice of layers....it is this area that I don't think you have fully accepted.
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@tangowaggon,
I'm like you as I run a bit hot, and I wear Goretex shell trousers with nothing under them. They do have a thin nylon(?) liner but absolutely no insulation. I have never been cold and I have certainly done -20 in them.
I wear a hard shell jacket with usually a 200 weight merino long sleeve shirt under. This is good down to about -10. From -10 to -20 I would wear a heavier weight t-shirt and possibly a down gilet as well. Below -20 and the long sleeve down jacket comes out.
Goretex Pro is certainly robust - I've bounced down a few mountains without a scratch on the jacket, unlike me.
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I had a dig around my kit & found a "merino" long sleeve shirt from Lidl that I tried but didn't like it, it certainly didn't wick moisture away from my skin at all, just left me feeling wet & sticky
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Try a classic Helly Hansen LIFA (or equivalent from any other brand) https://www.hellyhansen.com/hh-lifa-stripe-crew-48800?color=292372&recs=pdpviewed
They will absolutely keep you dry, much better than Merino in that regard. Just make sure to wash it after every use or you'll find out why they're also known as 'smelly hellys'. Easy to do as they dry in about 20 minutes.
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@Old Fartbag, with suspenders?
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| AL9000 wrote: |
| @Old Fartbag, with suspenders? |
Do you need to ask?
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| AL9000 wrote: |
| @Old Fartbag, with suspenders? |
Do you need to ask? |
Name change to Old Tartbag?
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+1 synthetic with anti odour properties is the way to go. I rate the Patagonia Capilene base layers really highly. I've a couple of them, they transport moisture really quickly, and don't stink (one base layer top tested to 12 days fin the interest of science)
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…in the interest of science.
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One small smell for man. One giant stink for mankind 
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@tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"?
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You know it makes sense.
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| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"? |
He means a coat.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"? |
It sounds like just a normal coat.
I remember being a kid and wearing my duffle coat outside at playtime (‘it’s March you need a coat on outside!’) when I had a short sleeved top on underneath having taken the jumper off and yes, the material lining inside gets all clammy and sticks to you.
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Poster: A snowHead
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If you run too warm then I find this works best (it's the sort of stuff I use for ski touring)
For the uppoer body -
Good T-shirt base layers preferably merino wool (one thin, one thick - wear one depending on temp)
Windproof long-sleeved top, wicking type.
Softshell vest / gillet
Thin waterproof in a back pack just in case you need it. (wet snow, wind etc)
For the legs
3/4 length merino wool base layers (one thin, one thick choose one depending on temp)
Ski touring pants with vent zips and sufficient protection against the skis
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"? |
An Insulated Jacket (Primaloft, Thinsulate etc), as opposed to a Shell Jacket.
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| DB wrote: |
If you run too warm then I find this works best (it's the sort of stuff I use for ski touring)
For the uppoer body -
Good T-shirt base layers preferably merino wool (one thin, one thick - wear one depending on temp)
Windproof long-sleeved top, wicking type.
Softshell vest / gillet
Thin waterproof in a back pack just in case you need it. (wet snow, wind etc)
For the legs
3/4 length merino wool base layers (one thin, one thick choose one depending on temp)
Ski touring pants with vent zips and sufficient protection against the skis |
If you run warm you want synthetic base, not merino for its better moisture wicking.
Very good article here explaining the technical details by our own @Clarky99
https://www.luex.com/snow/article/base-layer-101.html
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One of the best articles I have seen. Excellent.
Last edited by Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. on Sun 6-03-22 19:33; edited 1 time in total
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"? |
An Insulated Jacket (Primaloft, Thinsulate etc), as opposed to a Shell Jacket. |
OK. That wasn't clear to me. I wouldn't wear any jacket like that for skiing and I am not sure why the OP is.
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| Layne wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"? |
An Insulated Jacket (Primaloft, Thinsulate etc), as opposed to a Shell Jacket. |
OK. That wasn't clear to me. I wouldn't wear any jacket like that for skiing and I am not sure why the OP is. |
I've worn both. If the Jacket has insulation, I wear less layers. If you go when the weather heats up or you get very hot, shells are the way to go.
IME. The success of either solution relies on the effectiveness of the Layers underneath.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Fri 4-03-22 12:03; edited 1 time in total
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I occasionally see people on the slopes dressed all in white. I say “see”, but when skiing they do become much harder to notice than their brightly coloured companions. Neutrals (greys/black) and some greens can also have this affect in certain terrain, but less so on an open piste. Bright colours aren't just for fashion.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
I occasionally see people on the slopes dressed all in white. I say “see”, but when skiing they do become much harder to notice than their brightly coloured companions. Neutrals (greys/black) and some greens can also have this affect in certain terrain, but less so on an open piste. Bright colours aren't just for fashion. |
Can't beat bright yellow as I will demonstrate on Sunday... 
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From the above mentioned article
"many people have a habit of over dressing to ensure they stay warm – which often results in heavy sweating. Unfortunately, sweating results in heat loss, so as soon as you stop moving you start becoming chilled"
If you do end up with heavy sweating, you are clearly mismanaging your ski wear, as an example Our group was faced with a 20 min boot pack up a ridge, It was a sunny day so before starting, I took off my jacket & hooked it on my pack & proceeded with just a t shirt on my top, it was a little chilly to start with. Another guy who had been telling everyone about the hours he spent in the gym kept his jacket & helmet on.
At the top, I was feeling comfortable & glad of the cooling breeze, the other guy nearly collapsed.
The reality is that I don't actually get very sweaty at all because I'll take steps to cool down as soon as I feel a little warm.
Who gets chilled as soon as they stop moving??? When I do my 5k run, it's 30 min for the run and 30 min sat in the back garden at 5-10'c with nothing but a pair of shorts on trying to cool down!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Scarlet wrote: |
I occasionally see people on the slopes dressed all in white. I say “see”, but when skiing they do become much harder to notice than their brightly coloured companions. Neutrals (greys/black) and some greens can also have this affect in certain terrain, but less so on an open piste. Bright colours aren't just for fashion. |
My current outfit from Nevica that's a bit too warm
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| Layne wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, I say it again, what do you mean by "an insulated outer layer"? |
An Insulated Jacket (Primaloft, Thinsulate etc), as opposed to a Shell Jacket. |
OK. That wasn't clear to me. I wouldn't wear any jacket like that for skiing and I am not sure why the OP is. |
I've worn both. If the Jacket has insulation, I wear less layers. If you go when the weather heats up or you get very hot, shells are the way to go.
IME. The success of either solution relies on the effectiveness of the Layers underneath. |
I’d say generally you see more people wearing insulated ski jackets than shells. In the gondola right now and it’s only me with a shell on. The rest have the insulated type.
I think if you intend to use the jacket for other purposes like hiking/mountaineering then a 3L shell just the job for pretty much everything as you can either have just a base layer on underneath it or add as many layers as you like as long as the shell still fits.
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You know it makes sense.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
| Scarlet wrote: |
I occasionally see people on the slopes dressed all in white. I say “see”, but when skiing they do become much harder to notice than their brightly coloured companions. Neutrals (greys/black) and some greens can also have this affect in certain terrain, but less so on an open piste. Bright colours aren't just for fashion. |
My current outfit from Nevica that's a bit too warm
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Pit zips are a bit of a faff when you have to cinch up quickly but do help to dump heat when you're working hard...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
From the above mentioned article
"many people have a habit of over dressing to ensure they stay warm – which often results in heavy sweating. Unfortunately, sweating results in heat loss, so as soon as you stop moving you start becoming chilled"
If you do end up with heavy sweating, you are clearly mismanaging your ski wear, as an example Our group was faced with a 20 min boot pack up a ridge, It was a sunny day so before starting, I took off my jacket & hooked it on my pack & proceeded with just a t shirt on my top, it was a little chilly to start with. Another guy who had been telling everyone about the hours he spent in the gym kept his jacket & helmet on.
At the top, I was feeling comfortable & glad of the cooling breeze, the other guy nearly collapsed.
The reality is that I don't actually get very sweaty at all because I'll take steps to cool down as soon as I feel a little warm.
Who gets chilled as soon as they stop moving??? When I do my 5k run, it's 30 min for the run and 30 min sat in the back garden at 5-10'c with nothing but a pair of shorts on trying to cool down! |
You seem very fixed in your position.
The article goes into some detail explaining about moisture management - and the bit you quoted is to highlight the importance of managing your layering - and you have taken it out of context to bolster your position.
At the end of the day, it is up to you what you get - all we are trying to do, is give advice (backed up by articles and videos) to steer you in a direction which should make it easier to remain comfortable.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@tangowaggon, has the thread been helpful? Do you know what you have a good idea what you are going to buy now?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Some people are really hairy though so they maybe are warm because of that.
I bet Robin Williams didn’t feel cold very often.
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| VolklAttivaS5 wrote: |
Some people are really hairy though so they maybe are warm because of that.
I bet Robin Williams didn’t feel cold very often. |
Some people's skiing is really hairy and that makes me sweat. 
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| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, has the thread been helpful? Do you know what you have a good idea what you are going to buy now? |
From my first post, I know exactly what I want to buy, the advice wanted was whether anyone had come across such an outfit & where to get it, I wasn't after advice what to wear, just where to get it.
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| Toby Jug wrote: |
Pit zips are a bit of a faff when you have to cinch up quickly but do help to dump heat when you're working hard... |
Pit & leg zips are much less of a faff than removing or adding a layer & get rid of warm sweaty air many times more quickly than breathable fabric.
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| tangowaggon wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, has the thread been helpful? Do you know what you have a good idea what you are going to buy now? |
From my first post, I know exactly what I want to buy, the advice wanted was whether anyone had come across such an outfit & where to get it, I wasn't after advice what to wear, just where to get it. |
Really? So all along all you wanted to hear was " a shop" ?
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| Roguevfr wrote: |
| tangowaggon wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
| @tangowaggon, has the thread been helpful? Do you know what you have a good idea what you are going to buy now? |
From my first post, I know exactly what I want to buy, the advice wanted was whether anyone had come across such an outfit & where to get it, I wasn't after advice what to wear, just where to get it. |
Really? So all along all you wanted to hear was " a shop" ? |
A product in a shop…
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| .. Has anybody come across anything that might fit this description? |
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