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Carbon footprint for a self drive ski holiday

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caughtanedge wrote:

What are you going to do about climate change?


Nothing

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r are you leaving it all to someone else? Or do you think it's not a problem?


Yes x2
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
horizon wrote:

A couple of years ago I started a similar thread in Après Zone regarding carbon compensation for flights, and the majority response was not too far from many of the answers in this thread ("just don't go", "China and India dwarf anyway your impact so no point in doing anything", "this is virtue signalling", "none of the carbon compensation schemes work" etc.


Carbon compensation schemes are middle class green-wash (unless you can garuntee those trees will be replanted and replaced forever more).

Far more effective to take train / drive / fly less.
Ultimately real change won't come from individual actions - but it's a start.


Someone makes a conscious decision to travel a few thousand miles so they can ski for a days.
Seems to ignore lots of trees was chopped down to create those ski runs. Lots of coal would have been burned to generate enough heat to mill the steel pillars & ropes to carry you to the top of the mountain.
Fake snow would have been blown to get an early start on the season or lots of polystyrene produced for snow farming.
then deciding driving & not flying is the right choice of travel to justify a ski trip

It is laughable.
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Can someone remind me how you set up the ignore user , thanks


click on the plus sign next to my name & the option is there

Enjoy living with your eyes closed.
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Yellow Snow wrote:
Mr.Egg wrote:
Timmycb5 wrote:
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In Kohlberg's theory of moral development this is a hard 1.2


my moral compass is guided by whatever serves me best.
I will fly, drive, sail by whatever is the best value and quickest.


So like me then......no moral compass Very Happy Very Happy

My diesel gets down there on a £70 tank of gas each way - when India, The States, Russia, China's output reduces, meaning that my car isn't registering a mini, mini, mini miniscule amount of harmful gases then I will do my bit. But in the meantime all this cobblers on here is completely unimportant


Totally agree.
I would probably drive if I lived near enough Dover or something.
Bring the car home full of wines.
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Mr.Egg wrote:
Haggis_Trap wrote:
horizon wrote:

A couple of years ago I started a similar thread in Après Zone regarding carbon compensation for flights, and the majority response was not too far from many of the answers in this thread ("just don't go", "China and India dwarf anyway your impact so no point in doing anything", "this is virtue signalling", "none of the carbon compensation schemes work" etc.


Carbon compensation schemes are middle class green-wash (unless you can garuntee those trees will be replanted and replaced forever more).

Far more effective to take train / drive / fly less.
Ultimately real change won't come from individual actions - but it's a start.


Someone makes a conscious decision to travel a few thousand miles so they can ski for a days.
Seems to ignore lots of trees was chopped down to create those ski runs. Lots of coal would have been burned to generate enough heat to mill the steel pillars & ropes to carry you to the top of the mountain.
Fake snow would have been blown to get an early start on the season or lots of polystyrene produced for snow farming.
then deciding driving & not flying is the right choice of travel to justify a ski trip

It is laughable.


There's this concept called time. There's a bit called the past (that's the old bit), and bit called the present (that this bit right now) and there's the future. We can't change what has happened in the past. Ski slopes exist. We can change what we do in the present (reducing our carbon footprint) so that we will hopefully still be able to enjoy these things in the future.

Also, point of clarification.... do you understand the what the word 'reduce' means? It means you want to make something smaller, even though you can't eradicate it.

I want my mortgage to be zero. I do this my making monthly payments off it. If I applied your logic that I can't make my mortgage zero right this second, I might as well max out my mortgage, take out as many credit cards, loans, pay day loans and loan shark loans as I possibly can, 'because what's the point'.
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Mr.Egg wrote:
iainm wrote:
Why do some people get so angry if others choose to make the choice to cut their carbon emissions? Evidently some on here feel they have no moral responsibility to do so, that's their choice, but why get so angry about it if others do.


it's not anger.
It is the equivalent of someone not eating beef because cows fart a lot & then going out to buy some leather goods.

You could fly & then go buy a few trees to plant if it really bothered you that much...

I find it quite hilarious how inconsistent peoples beliefs are around these kind of things.

If you dont take that seat on the plane, someone else will. You have saved absolutely nothing. If that person had no other way to travel, then you have increased co2 by travelling another means.


You certainly sound angry about it.
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Mr.Egg wrote:
Haggis_Trap wrote:
horizon wrote:

A couple of years ago I started a similar thread in Après Zone regarding carbon compensation for flights, and the majority response was not too far from many of the answers in this thread ("just don't go", "China and India dwarf anyway your impact so no point in doing anything", "this is virtue signalling", "none of the carbon compensation schemes work" etc.


Carbon compensation schemes are middle class green-wash (unless you can garuntee those trees will be replanted and replaced forever more).

Far more effective to take train / drive / fly less.
Ultimately real change won't come from individual actions - but it's a start.


Someone makes a conscious decision to travel a few thousand miles so they can ski for a days.
Seems to ignore lots of trees was chopped down to create those ski runs. Lots of coal would have been burned to generate enough heat to mill the steel pillars & ropes to carry you to the top of the mountain.
Fake snow would have been blown to get an early start on the season or lots of polystyrene produced for snow farming.
then deciding driving & not flying is the right choice of travel to justify a ski trip

It is laughable.


I'll humour you by not banging on about how most of that carbon is long sunk - we're not building a huge number of new ski lifts or clearing many new pistes.
What I do want to focus on is this question:
If the steel in your next car can be made in a less carbon intensive way is that a good thing? Or should the message to VW or whoever be - just don't sell the car.

The point I made a couple of pages back is that the solution is going to be lots and lots of incrementally more CO2 efficient ways of doing things. It certainly isn't going to be go back to living in caves or do sod all and wait for someone to wave a magic wand.
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On the rocks wrote:
@Elsie80, it’s good to calculate your carbon footprint from travelling to your ski holiday. But rather than engaging in a dubious greenwash offsetting scheme maybe better to work out direct actions you can take to mitigate this? Unnecessary journeys at home, doing all your laundry at 30 deg C (why wouldn’t anyone?), turn down heating thermostat, your food miles, etc?

I think this is very good advice.

You don't have to be perfect - just try to do as much as you can. And if you sin now and then don't overthink it. You will still be doing more than most.
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Mr.Egg wrote:
If you dont take that seat on the plane, someone else will.

That is clearly bollox.
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@Layne, standard eggonomics
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@Elsie80, your "simple" question has certainly brought around a diverse set of views from fellow snowHead

One thing not mentioned is your money, another small personal thing you can do to help alongside the obvious things you mentioned you already do (although I skeptical of carbon offset, sounds a lot like greenwashing to me) - the "big banks" transact loans and investments for projects and companies that emit vast quantities of CO2 or damage the environment so change your bank to one with more ethics and a clear environmental policy (for example, I use Triodos) and there is another movement to look at which is your pension investments, although admittedly I have not done anything about this yet - see for more info https://makemymoneymatter.co.uk/net-zero/ .

Love the post about the parade of range rovers heading to the snow, where am I to get my kicks from mocking them not being able to fit on the Eurotunnel properly as they are too wide or can't fit through the peage as they have even more inefficiencies in the shape of massive roofboxes?! It's one of my main driving entertainments!
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@always29, we were worried about being xenophobic when we drove the sections of the A26 before the turnoff to Belgium at Arras - the Grom was looking in the side mirror at Big Black 4WDs approaching us from the rear at Warp Factor 9…whooooosh past us…leaving us buffeted in their wake.

Belgian.
Belgian.
Belgian.
Belgian.
British….no….Belgian.

What is it with the Big Black 4WDs…..?

We also are amused at the following.
We take about 9 hours in the Yeti - listening to music, chatting - respectable 70-80 but keep below 80 since fuel consumption rockets around 80.
Just about Dijon - GERPOW……highly distinctive British Aston passes us like we are in reverse. Vanishes.
We wend our way North.
Round about Troyes - GERPOW….same Aston blasts past…….vanishes.
We wend our way North, stop for coffee. Resume journey.
Round about Arras - GERPOW…same car.
We arrive Calais and it’s in the same line for the ferry, a few cars ahead.
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i wonder if any ski resorts was built by families with links to the slave trade

justify it whatever way that makes you feel comfortable so you can accept you ski trip.
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Really doesn't matter how fast you drive, to make progress you just need to stop less & that's quite easy when your not stressed from driving at 100+
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@Mr.Egg,
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I found this video quite eye opening regarding carbon footprint:


http://youtube.com/v/hi3wq7bFwpI
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
horizon wrote:

A couple of years ago I started a similar thread in Après Zone regarding carbon compensation for flights, and the majority response was not too far from many of the answers in this thread ("just don't go", "China and India dwarf anyway your impact so no point in doing anything", "this is virtue signalling", "none of the carbon compensation schemes work" etc.


Carbon compensation schemes are middle class green-wash (unless you can garuntee those trees will be replanted and replaced forever more).

Far more effective to take train / drive / fly less.
Ultimately real change won't come from individual actions - but it's a start.


I hope you're not using those fucxking huge diesel engines in the Coe that power the ski lifts Smile
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The Coe is connected to the grid. Glenshee use generators but only when the tows are running. That actually means a low carbon footprint because they haven’t had to put in miles of copper cable which sits unused most of the time. The generators are also easily removed.
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@Peter S, Puzzled Puzzled Puzzled rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes what a load of bollox
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If anyone is interested - I have found a study that was done in Aspen which said that a days skiing uses on average 0.02 tonnes of carbon, together with the travel from home to Spain being around 0.67 tonnes for a large family car - I work out that if I were to offset the carbon footprint it would need to be for around 1.2 tonnes of CO2.

I know some don’t believe in carbon offsetting but finding the right organisation that really does focus on climate projects has to help a little bit to help reduce our impact on the environment.
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@Elsie80, ....that's a lot more than I expected. I will go and take a look. Up the touring then....
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Sorry forgot to say my total calculation was a family of 4 travelling in one car.
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@Elsie80, can you link to the report? 20 kg per day is surprisingly close to my daily footprint, which surprises me (I thought it would be more). Would be interesting to see what the Aspen figure includes.
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@Elsie80, if you can find a reputable carbon offsetting business then I don’t see an issue with it. There will definitely be some dodgy greenwashing companies out there though.

I’d be interested to know what you find.
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nevis1003 wrote:

I hope you're not using those fucxking huge diesel engines in the Coe that power the ski lifts Smile


When did you last ski Glencoe ?

The tows were all converted to electric at least 15 years ago...
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This is my favourite - it really gives you a lot of information on where the money goes, gives information in dashboards and business metrics for the whole business are posted monthly. Seems like a very honest organisation- UK led from not too far from where I live.

https://ecologi.com/
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Sorry don't know how to post images, but came across this pie chart from the Montagne Verte organisation in Morzine
https://twitter.com/skipedia/status/1486957659668553728

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKK8HKSX0AAyaMc?format=png&name=900x900[/img]
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valais2 wrote:
@always29
We also are amused at the following.
We take about 9 hours in the Yeti - listening to music, chatting - respectable 70-80 but keep below 80 since fuel consumption rockets around 80.
Just about Dijon - GERPOW……highly distinctive British Aston passes us like we are in reverse. Vanishes.
We wend our way North.
Round about Troyes - GERPOW….same Aston blasts past…….vanishes.
We wend our way North, stop for coffee. Resume journey.
Round about Arras - GERPOW…same car.
We arrive Calais and it’s in the same line for the ferry, a few cars ahead.


Diarrhea?
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@Tristero, …very possibly….good thought….nasty image…. Very Happy

Perhaps that’s what bucket seats are for….
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Wasn't that the lawyer defense used to avoid prosecution for a chap called Alex Ferguson from being apprehended while speeding along a hard shoulder when motorway was blocked.

Thought he ran a small football team, or some such Very Happy
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I hope no evidence was presented…. Shock
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