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France Updates Travel Restrictions

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Montan wrote:
AndyCooke wrote:
@James77 - if it runs out on the 15th, does that mean we can travel on the 15th or not until the 16th?
I know it's a very pedantic question, but my trip is currently for the 15th.

Welcome to SnowHeads snowHead - the decree expires on 15/1 but it may be lapsed, extended or otherwise modified on that day, hence the uncertainty for all with holidays booked for the next few weeks


Thanks. I've actually been a member for ages, but never got around to commenting before Smile

I'm guessing that it means that IF they do nothing, we can enter France from the 15th onwards?
(I'm kind of more hopeful of that than of any specific decree releasing it, because of the "inaction is easier than action" bias.
To release it, Macron has to say that it's not necessary. To extend it, he has to say it's necessary. Do nothing and it goes away on its own, and in this very specific case, that might be just in time for me (assuming it expiring on the 15th means I can fly out on the 15th. If it means the 15th is its last day of validity, that'd be really annoying)
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@KenX, I have mentioned and seen mention that there was going to be an internal conseil scientifique meeting today, but I don't think I've mentioned or seen any evidence of any public announcements today. I'm reasonably sure they'd have been talking about it on the radio and in the papers?
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Le Fig mentions that a state of emergency has been declared in the Caribbean territories, so it might well be an announcement on that rather than more general.

(40 per cent vaccinated in Guadeloupe and 31 per cent in French Guiana, out of interest)
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AndyCooke wrote:


I'm guessing that it means that IF they do nothing, we can enter France from the 15th onwards?
(I'm kind of more hopeful of that than of any specific decree releasing it, because of the "inaction is easier than action" bias.
To release it, Macron has to say that it's not necessary. To extend it, he has to say it's necessary. Do nothing and it goes away on its own, and in this very specific case, that might be just in time for me (assuming it expiring on the 15th means I can fly out on the 15th. If it means the 15th is its last day of validity, that'd be really annoying)


100% get the theory (and nice thinking!), but I think it's too high profile for that to happen. And you could argue that the reverse is actually true - if they continue with the restrictions, then apart from some civil servants extending the date out on their systems, everything carries on as has been. But if they change the requirements then they'll have to do comms out to all the official areas that need it, update the press etc etc. Especially as these days there really isn't any normal, so when an announcement is made it will be for a 'new' or 'different' set of restrictions, rather than just simply removing them.

EDIT: the positive spin on the above is, that if there's no such thing (in reality) as just letting the restrictions run out, then there's also no real advantage for them to wait till the 15th to change them..
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Can't find anything about a Boris brief today at 3.30pm.
He is doing PMQs at 3pm though....
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@chocksaway, Correct -- after PMQ'S there will be a Covid-19 update from the PM
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Just saw this on a Morzine Facebook page...

Attal’s press conf today - apols for dodgy translation from France Info website:

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The government has
decided to "expand the list of compelling
reasons, especially professional
reasons". for travel between France and
the United Kingdom, announces Gabriel
Attal.

Restrictions could be even lighter
next week, he adds, recognizing that the
Omicron variant now affects both
countries in a similar way.

Possible light at the end of the tunnel?
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Some positive news coming out of France press conference for potential relaxation for professional reasons and perhaps even
more next week now that Omicron has reach both countries to same levels. Am sure someone will post a link when it’s available.
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no_snow_in_swindon wrote:
Just saw this on a Morzine Facebook page...


Possible light at the end of the tunnel?



Please let it not be a Eurostar Toofy Grin
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Travel restrictions between the UK and France will be eased slightly amid a "supersonic" rise in French infections, a French government spokesman has said.

Gabriel Attal said that France will make it a "bit easier " to travel to and from the UK, widening the official list of valid reasons for travel.

The French Government banned British holidaymakers from travelling to France late last year amid a surge in omicron cases in the UK.

Travellers have only been allowed to enter France for specific valid reasons, including nationals or residents returning home, urgent family matters and essential work. The extended list of valid reasons for travel has not yet been clarified.

The easing of travel restrictions comes amid a "supersonic" rise in Covid infections in France, which shows no signs of slowing down in the coming days, Mr Attal said.

He said that infections were reaching "stratospheric levels" in the Ile-de-France region around Paris and some other parts of France, and said that the situation in hospitals could worsen in coming weeks.

Attal also said that the government had declared a health state of emergency in the French overseas territories of Guadeloupe, Guyana, Mayotte, Saint-Martin and Saint-Barthélémy, where the infection rate is soaring. A state of emergency was already in place in La Réunion and Martinique.

Omicron is now dominant in France and is driving a high number of daily infections. A total of 271,686 new Covid infections were reported in France over the past 24 hours.
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Thanks for translation.

Any update on when the extended list will be published?
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@Weathercam, good catch.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-news-coronavirus-pcr-tests-plan-b-omicron-boosters/

Source for the post above (go to 2:32pm) it’s live so fingers crossed specifics might be released today.

Looks like PCR tests on return to the UK are also being scrapped
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Looks like the Day 2 PCR is scrapped:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/05/pcr-tests-ditched-travellers-arriving-uk/

(not news about France, but still some good news!)
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HilbertSpace wrote:
Looks like the Day 2 PCR is scrapped:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/05/pcr-tests-ditched-travellers-arriving-uk/

(not news about France, but still some good news!)


To be scrapped and replaced with Day 2 Lateral Flow Tests
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Pre departure tests to be scrapped too. So no chance of getting stranded overseas.
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although you will still need a Day 2 LFT


Day 2 LFT - fine! I dn't have an issue with the Day 2. Key really is the Pre-Departure LFT to come back to the UK. Scrap that and travel is fine. Now all we need is some positive news from France and 3 Vallees 2022 is back on!
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I cannot imagine that the French, in the position they are in, are going to expand their list of reasons for travel from the UK to include 'tourism'. Certainly not in the first instance I'd imagine. Sorry if I sound like a pooper. I've got a trip booked in Feb half term and have missed the last 2 years family skiing because of Covid so very eager to go.

However, I have lots of issues on the table: UK return rules (sounds almost sorted - let's hope that lasts!), French entry ban (which I am sure will be reversed but maybe not as quickly as we hope, proposed French vaccine passport (we are 2 adults treble jabbed but 2 kids only 1 jabbed - possibly 1 with 2 jabs prior to trip......but that leaves a 1 jabber....and if the vaccine passport doesn't include negative test results we won't be going).
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Kettonskimum1971 wrote:
I cannot imagine that the French, in the position they are in, are going to expand their list of reasons for travel from the UK to include 'tourism'. Certainly not in the first instance I'd imagine. Sorry if I sound like a pooper. I've got a trip booked in Feb half term and have missed the last 2 years family skiing because of Covid so very eager to go.

However, I have lots of issues on the table: UK return rules (sounds almost sorted - let's hope that lasts!), French entry ban (which I am sure will be reversed but maybe not as quickly as we hope, proposed French vaccine passport (we are 2 adults treble jabbed but 2 kids only 1 jabbed - possibly 1 with 2 jabs prior to trip......but that leaves a 1 jabber....and if the vaccine passport doesn't include negative test results we won't be going).


I think it might do, but only for the vaccinated. Macron made such a deal of calling out the unvaccinated, and saying he was going to make their life as hard as possible - consequently it would be strange if in easing restrictions, it included allowing unvaccinated people from other countries to travel to France. Which unfortunately could impact British teenagers (although a large % would have had their 2nd jab by Feb half term). Obviously all speculation...


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New member here after lurking for many years! We are meant to be skiing in VT from Saturday. Thought it was going to be cancelled but now in this strange limbo where we might end up with half a holiday so can’t get proper refunds! Wish the French government would release a bit more info. (Extremely aware this is a massive whinge, it will just be the third time this holiday will have been cancelled / moved Sad )
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PM has just announced that UK travel Pre-departure tests scrapped : Only LFT needed for entry/return
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lower wrote:
Pre departure tests to be scrapped too. So no chance of getting stranded overseas.


As I posted at around midday! Very Happy
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@Kettonskimum1971, How many other countries are banned from France?
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From what I'm reading, the relaxations (not yet announced) are concerning travel to the UK and subsequent return, no mention yet of easing UK to France for the British..........
Hopefully later there will be some clarity.
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Minion1980 wrote:


*the new French variant that has been around longer than omicron, has only infected 12 people and pretty much every single epidemiologist/virologist I’ve seen disregard as something to worry about at the moment.

Source?


see, f'rinstance, https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1477005297403191296

"May I make a suggestion. This isn’t new. The preprint just got uploaded like two days ago but that’s it. If anyone does a Google search they’ll see this pops up as early as October/November https://deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/11/16/22785162/new-covid-19-variant-france-spike-protein-mutations and hasn’t done much. Omicron kinda blew this out of the water."

And https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1478130286072410118


Chise is an excellent account to follow. Been following for quite a while now
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@Handy Turnip - I think you are probably on the mark with your comments. There is no way he can go hard ball on his people but soften off for non EU. And they started teenage vaccinations back in June so not his problem we started later (oh, and leave a 12 week gap between doses when theirs is 3-4 weeks). Unfortunately my eldest chose not to have the vaccine in September and changed his mind at the end of November when he realised he might be exempt from holidays! I took my eye off the ball timing wise.

However, I do have a back up plan booked with going first week of April school hols - and hoping that by then, a lot of this will have gone away.
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Charliegolf wrote:
lower wrote:
Pre departure tests to be scrapped too. So no chance of getting stranded overseas.


As I posted at around midday! Very Happy


And I posted similar at 10.10 !!! Toofy Grin

(It was speculation then -- now it is official...)
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Charliegolf wrote:
lower wrote:
Pre departure tests to be scrapped too. So no chance of getting stranded overseas.


As I posted at around midday! Very Happy


But formally confirmed now Smile

Things are heading in the right direction.


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albob wrote:
PM has just announced that UK travel Pre-departure tests scrapped : Only LFT needed for entry/return


Typical Laughing mine have just arrived in the post. Don't need the return to UK one now, and the Day 2 PCR I've bought only needs to be a LFT.... oh well. I'm not expecting a refund on the Return to UK, but hopefully QURED might swap the PCR for an LFT?
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Not allowed into France yet - but this may be a move in the right direction - from Planet Ski.

Quote:
Exact details have not been revealed but France is ready to ease the strict travel restrictions to and from the UK. The announcement was made by the French government spokesman. It is unclear how it will impact skiing and tourism.

Gabriel Attal added in his briefing on Wednesday that restrictions may be eased even further as early as next week, because “the Omicron variant is affecting both countries in a similar manner”.


https://planetski.eu/2022/01/05/france-set-to-ease-some-border-restrictions-with-uk/
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Would the fact that I just went through covid one week ago change anything considering I'm supposed to travel on 22nd?(Grenoble)
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Kettonskimum1971 wrote:
I cannot imagine that the French, in the position they are in, are going to expand their list of reasons for travel from the UK to include 'tourism'. Certainly not in the first instance I'd imagine. Sorry if I sound like a pooper. I've got a trip booked in Feb half term and have missed the last 2 years family skiing because of Covid so very eager to go.

However, I have lots of issues on the table: UK return rules (sounds almost sorted - let's hope that lasts!), French entry ban (which I am sure will be reversed but maybe not as quickly as we hope, proposed French vaccine passport (we are 2 adults treble jabbed but 2 kids only 1 jabbed - possibly 1 with 2 jabs prior to trip......but that leaves a 1 jabber....and if the vaccine passport doesn't include negative test results we won't be going).


Unless I’ve missed something huge (and I’m sure I haven’t), testing is still valid for under 18s who are not fully jabbed for the pass sanitaire. They only removed the resting option for adults
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Would the fact that I just went through covid one week ago change anything considering I'm supposed to travel on 22nd?(Grenoble)
what exact date did you test positive? And what is your vaccine status?
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Anybody want some LFT predeparture and day 2 PCR tests cheap?
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corshidan wrote:
Would the fact that I just went through covid one week ago change anything considering I'm supposed to travel on 22nd?(Grenoble)
what exact date did you test positive? And what is your vaccine status?


2 Doses + booster

28 December
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Unless I’ve missed something huge (and I’m sure I haven’t), testing is still valid for under 18s who are not fully jabbed for the pass sanitaire. They only removed the resting option for adults


Oooh - so my question surrounds whether this rule will carry over to the new vaccine pass that replaces the pass sanitaire?
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Oooh - so my question surrounds whether this rule will carry over to the new vaccine pass that replaces the pass sanitaire?

That is my big question. Booked to go early April. My just-turned-12 year old will only be allowed second jab 3 days before we go. So at the minute, that leaves us a bit stuck if 12 year olds will also have to be fully vaccinated and have proof to be able to ski. I don’t care so much about the restaurants..
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corshidan wrote:
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corshidan wrote:
Would the fact that I just went through covid one week ago change anything considering I'm supposed to travel on 22nd?(Grenoble)
what exact date did you test positive? And what is your vaccine status?


2 Doses + booster

28 December


Others who've been in your exact position before will be able to confirm, but as I understand it, you NHS covid pass will have been overridden by you positive test, but it should reappear 14 days after infection.

As I said, others will have to confirm the exact timings, but it’s definitely been discussed on here before.

If my timings are correct you should be fine
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