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Layne wrote:
Mr.Egg wrote:
I said elsewhere about lift pass prices increasing more than normal as well.

What sort of increases have you seen? I haven't really looked yet so just wondering...


Last season (2020/2021) our season passes (advance purchase) went up from CHF666 to CHF777. Still a bargain, but a big increase.
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just checked and in Feb 2020 we paid 313 Eur pp for 6 days Dolomiti super ski

2022 will be 339 eur so 26 Eur more, an 8% increase over 2 years. That seems fair given the circumstances (but it's well above the Italian rate of inflation).


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@telford_mike, @richb67, cheers

We get "family" deals and what not so also difficult to judge for me. But it does seem to be the case that there is an shift up in prices.
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Covid 22 coming...


"""Wie werden der kommende Herbst und Winter aussehen?

Es werden sechs sehr harte Monate. Der Sommer 2021 fühlte sich an wie derjenige von 2019. Aber der kommende Herbst und Winter werden so sein wie im letzten Jahr. Dafür verantwortlich sind die Delta-Variante und die Tatsache, dass wir keine höhere Impfrate haben. Die Variante können wir nicht kontrollieren, aber wir können die Impfrate beeinflussen.""""

https://www.blick.ch/schweiz/eth-forscher-warnt-vor-neuer-corona-super-variante-covid-22-koennte-noch-schlimmer-werden-id16770423.html

Austria

Vaccine Certification validity (270 Day Rule)

The vaccine certificate is valid for 270 days after the 2nd dose for 2-dose vaccines. For vaccines that require only one dose, it is valid from the 22nd day for 270 days from vaccination. The same applies to convalescents who have been vaccinated once.

https://www.austria.info/en/service-and-facts/coronavirus-information/entry-regulations


This 270 rule is being adopted by other EU Countries so if you were vaccinated early this year the certificate will NOT be valid for this Ski Season... unless you can get a Booster jab & issued with a New Vaccine Certificate..
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@Layne, I suspect price increases as much to do with Brexit and thus the disappearance of anglophone workers ...

@stanton, don't see the French restricting everyone from bars in 270 days ...
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@stanton,

being dutch & and anti-vaxxer, how does the new rules for unvaccinated dutch people affect you?

I am OK all the way to March 28th.. My last trip booked for 22 returns on the 26th snowHead
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I am OK all the way to March 28th.. My last trip booked for 22 returns on the 26th snowHead


had to get excel out, scheduled to return to UK on 21st Feb and my second vaccination date + 270 days = 21st Feb...
but 6 months is a long time and everything will have changed by then!
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"""Wie werden der kommende Herbst und Winter aussehen?

Es werden sechs sehr harte Monate. .""""

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General Paulus ?
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@richb67,
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everything will have changed by then


Exactly that.
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Landscape will change 10 times before that it's an arbitrary figure anyway why 270, why not 300, 400 vaccine doesn't run out a variant may escape it. None of it matters anyway you'll just need a negative test it's just more unnecessary fear porn by those that enjoy doom and gloom.
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It's 270 (9months) because that is the current rule for vaccination validity is in Austria. They were talking about (may well even have been) 6 months at one point. If we go ahead with with boosters for everyone it will probably stay at 9 months, if they decide to just do older it will extend.
There is a lot of noise here about changing to a 1G rule (Gimpft = vaccinated) for many things so testing for access to things may not even be a possibility.
The only thing that is certain at the moment is that no one knows what will happen and the rules will change again before winter.
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blind_raven wrote:
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I wonder how sustainable this will be - I know plenty who would love go skiing, but prices for a whole family was already stretched to the maximum for a family of 4 or 5, so I do fear this will be a giant mistake, that keeps families away from pre-booking, or just stay away. I am not in a hurry to book.


I mean, they can't lose by demanding higher prices ahead of time and lowering them last minute. I think they're betting on the fact that a lot of people have been staying at home, not traveling (I know plenty of people that were reluctant to travel this summer even) and suddenly have the money for this winter travel. I think this will hurt the regular goer. Places like Solden and Lech are already fully booked (or close to that) and it's only August. So I'd say it's going their way so far...


They can’t lose ?!?! For one I am looking at France now, where the increase is a lot less. I would argue that they could easily lose.
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Although the covid situation is worsening again, the Government is now totally silent on the subject.

With festivals, packed theatres & football stadiums, it looks like a lot of people think it's gone away and things are completely back to normal.

Looks like 'Learning to live with covid' means it's here to stay for good and anything less than 1,000 deaths a week will be a bonus...

https://inews.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-privately-accepts-up-to-50000-annual-covid-deaths-as-an-acceptable-level-1170069

What's so off-putting for me and Mrs MA re. foreign travel is the possibility of testing positive on the pre-departure test, or on the one taken just before you come home. Imagine quarantining in the Alps for 10 powder days... rolling eyes
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Hokkaido just gone in to another State of Emergency (SOE), this one in force until 12 September.

At this stage I'm not hopeful that the Japanese - a very insular country - will have the appetite to let foreigners in the 'mere mortal' demographic in any time soon.

I really hope I'm wrong.
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Last weekend, after looking into the possibility of taking our motorhome to Austria next Easter we decided there's just too much uncertainty to even bother forking out a megre €100 deposit for a campsite, nevermind booking ferry/tunnel crossings. The fact or 14yr old hasn't been vaccinated doesn't help, and if this '270 day' rule becomes commonplace then neither will we effectively be considered vaccinated by then unless booster shots are given.

We'll wait and see how things develop in the next few months and decide based on that. In Scotland, two weeks into the new school year, there has been a shocking increase in Covid cases this week. Quite a proportion of that in the younger, unvaccinated year groups.
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@richb67,
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everything will have changed by then


Exactly that.


Lol, changed in Italy in the few days since these posts, now 1 year validity
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@mountainaddict, Imagine 10 powder days!
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richb67 wrote:
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@richb67,
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everything will have changed by then


Exactly that.


Lol, changed in Italy in the few days since these posts, now 1 year validity


.. and no more quarantine for the fully vaccinated travelling from UK since yesterday.
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270 days is not set in stone. They can no more keep their population vaccinated with such strict time limits as we could (probably less than us). Nor can they restrict the movements of the non vaccinated. (or expired cases)

It's more to do with the time the vaccine has been available, and how long we can be sure of it's effectiveness.

Our first vaccine was issued on 8th December, = 264 days ago.

The EU authorised their first vaccine on 21st December, with the first doses a week later.

Our vaccine certificates only have a rolling 30 day validity. Date of first EU vaccine + 30 days =270.

It will no doubt be extended, as our is, on a regular basis when figures are available to verify continued effectiveness.

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@brianatab, That would be my second trip next season covered so, for selfish reasons, I hope you're right
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richb67 wrote:
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@richb67,
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everything will have changed by then


Exactly that.


Lol, changed in Italy in the few days since these posts, now 1 year validity


.. and no more quarantine for the fully vaccinated travelling from UK since yesterday.


yes, that's why we were looking, have trip to Sicily planned in 3 weeks so we can now go ahead, we might actually get a summer holiday Happy Just have to sort out the testing, paperwork etc which is why I'm sat in front of the PC on a Sunday morning Sad

(Also booked trip to Rome for end of October as everything is so stupidly cheap and easy to cancel atm.)
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brianatab wrote:
270 days is not set in stone. They can no more keep their population vaccinated with such strict time limits as we could (probably less than us). Nor can they restrict the movements of the non vaccinated. (or expired cases)

270 days is sure to change and will as you suggest follow what happens with boosters here in Austria. Everyone over 65 will be able to book boosters from early next month, no announcements yet about younger as far as I am aware.
The second part of your statement I can't agree with, the Government are looking to introduce a 1G ( Geimpft = vaccinated ) rule in many environments instead of the current 3G (Geimpft, Genesen, Getestet = vaccinated, recovered, tested ). Government lawyers are adamant that this is legal, probably within the framework of emergency legislation.
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@richb67, nice work - galling, to say the least, that tests are more expensive than flights! Hard not to think that just a means of making more money for Tory Boys' chums....
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@Chris_n, Don't see a problem with a G1 rather than G3, especially if it allows the vaccinated access without the additional cost of testing. It was bound to happen as soon as countries got the majority of their residents vaccinated.

As long as we agree a fair way for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons to still be allowed to travel, whenever they decide it's safe enough to.

It will encourage people to get vaccinated. Those who choose not to will undoubtedly have their movements restricted by their own, and many other Countries in the next few years anyway.
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Mike Pow wrote:
Hokkaido just gone in to another State of Emergency (SOE), this one in force until 12 September.

At this stage I'm not hopeful that the Japanese - a very insular country - will have the appetite to let foreigners in the 'mere mortal' demographic in any time soon.

I really hope I'm wrong.


They will probably all have caught Covid by thre ski season anyway, I am in Japan in a city that has been in a state of emergency for a couple of weeks and it is all a bit of a joke. Resturants are still open, they are just meant to close early and not sell booze although this isn't adhered to particularly strictly, many bars are still open even though they are all meant to be closed, the tube is packed in the morning despite WFM being encouraged, virtually no non-essential shops are closed and the shopping centres are busy at the weekend. Supposedly they can fine bars that don't close but the fine can't be very much because it is not hard to find open bars and its not like I'm a local. They have rule of 4 here for meals but if you go in as a group of 8 they just stick an A4 sized sheer of plastic on the middle of the table and then you're just two groups of four. The test positivity rate here is over 20% ands they have officially given up on contract tracing as there are there are too many cases. Its not like I'm being super strict, but when in Rome etc. Having said all that, I still wouldn't bet on them letting foreigners in for skiing this winter. Covid is very much viewed as foreigner disease here. This is well demonstrated by their new vaccine passport which only offers Japanese nationals quarantine free travel, there is no reciprocal aspect to it

On a positive note, the local cable car is still open, this doesn't access any skiing although it is purely for leisure and suggests that they don't think that cable cars are a big risk factor. Oh, and they are very good at wearing masks while walking on the street, you don't see any uncovered faces until you head inside somewhere!
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rambotion wrote:
Mike Pow wrote:
Hokkaido just gone in to another State of Emergency (SOE), this one in force until 12 September.

At this stage I'm not hopeful that the Japanese - a very insular country - will have the appetite to let foreigners in the 'mere mortal' demographic in any time soon.

I really hope I'm wrong.


They will probably all have caught Covid by thre ski season anyway, I am in Japan in a city that has been in a state of emergency for a couple of weeks and it is all a bit of a joke. Resturants are still open, they are just meant to close early and not sell booze although this isn't adhered to particularly strictly, many bars are still open even though they are all meant to be closed, the tube is packed in the morning despite WFM being encouraged, virtually no non-essential shops are closed and the shopping centres are busy at the weekend. Supposedly they can fine bars that don't close but the fine can't be very much because it is not hard to find open bars and its not like I'm a local. They have rule of 4 here for meals but if you go in as a group of 8 they just stick an A4 sized sheer of plastic on the middle of the table and then you're just two groups of four. The test positivity rate here is over 20% ands they have officially given up on contract tracing as there are there are too many cases. Its not like I'm being super strict, but when in Rome etc. Having said all that, I still wouldn't bet on them letting foreigners in for skiing this winter. Covid is very much viewed as foreigner disease here. This is well demonstrated by their new vaccine passport which only offers Japanese nationals quarantine free travel, there is no reciprocal aspect to it

On a positive note, the local cable car is still open, this doesn't access any skiing although it is purely for leisure and suggests that they don't think that cable cars are a big risk factor. Oh, and they are very good at wearing masks while walking on the street, you don't see any uncovered faces until you head inside somewhere!


Same situation in the Niseko Resort Area on Hokkaido.

But Japanese Embassy in London is still not processing any work visas - not since the Kent variant reared its ugly head a couple of days before the normal Christmas Holidays shut down back in December 2020.

I'd be shocked if they didn't let 'workers' in but let tourists in.
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I think you have to act with very short notice - vaccination rates in Japan is going up very good, and when "full" vaccination rate is reached there might be a possibility. But political situation is a bit complicated just now.

https://www.moj.go.jp/isa/content/001347332.pdf Look at 2. if you can fit in!

Some of you will follow the situation on other fora I guess?




I will not be in Japan for short holidays this winter - first later in the year it looks like now


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Austria have increased the validity of vaccines from 270 to 360 days.
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Hyst wrote:
I think you have to act with very short notice - vaccination rates in Japan is going up very good, and when "full" vaccination rate is reached there might be a possibility. But political situation is a bit complicated just now.

https://www.moj.go.jp/isa/content/001347332.pdf Look at 2. if you can fit in!

Some of you will follow the situation on other fora I guess?




I will not be in Japan for short holidays this winter - first later in the year it looks like now


Unfortunately not Sad

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@Mike Pow,

for your information - if you don't follow:

https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/japan-2022-planning.88918/page-14#post-4852490

Election must be before 28th of November. (so maybe december - good luck - if you try.)
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Hyst wrote:
@Mike Pow,

for your information - if you don't follow:

https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/japan-2022-planning.88918/page-14#post-4852490

Election must be before 28th of November. (so maybe december - good luck - if you try.)


Thanks

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Alberta has just reintroduced measures restricting, amongst other things, social gatherings as Canada hitting a third wave and 4,000+ cases a day. Certainly a very cautious approach (more so than neighbouring BC) and let's not even mention BoJo the Clown's as we have cases 8 times higher (and highest in Europe) but hey, we have bigger poo-poo to worry about - petrol, heating, food etc. All crises of our own making; well 17.5 million of us' making... Toofy Grin
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Alberta has just reintroduced measures restricting, amongst other things, social gatherings as Canada hitting a third wave and 4,000+ cases a day. Certainly a very cautious approach (more so than neighbouring BC) and let's not even mention BoJo the Clown's as we have cases 8 times higher (and highest in Europe) but hey, we have bigger poo-poo to worry about - petrol, heating, food etc. All crises of our own making; well 17.5 million of us' making... Toofy Grin


Blame Bojo, yet Wales has the highest R rate in the country & areas with the highest infected rates in the whole UK.
Don’t be surprised to see Wales introduce a firebreak of somesort during school half term end of October, if not sooner.
We have areas as high as almost 2000 cases per 100k - that is 2% & the R rate there is over 1.3
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@Mr.Egg, all very lamentable, but I don’t want to ski in Wales
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Blame Bojo, yet Wales has the highest R rate in the country & areas with the highest infected rates in the whole UK.
Ludicrous to suggest that the UK government has no control on matters in Wales, even in areas where there is some devolution of policy to the Welsh Government. It, like the Scottish Government and the NI Assembly, still operates within the broad policy constraints established by the UK government.
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Blame Bojo, yet Wales has the highest R rate in the country & areas with the highest infected rates in the whole UK.
Ludicrous to suggest that the UK government has no control on matters in Wales, even in areas where there is some devolution of policy to the Welsh Government. It, like the Scottish Government and the NI Assembly, still operates within the broad policy constraints established by the UK government.


No they don't. While UK Gov can set rules around travel, which tends to follow (because we dont really have many options to go another country without English Ports), Wales very much sets their own rules.
Anyway, there are other threads for this type of discussion.
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Snowsartre wrote:
Alberta has just reintroduced measures restricting, amongst other things, social gatherings as Canada hitting a third wave and 4,000+ cases a day. Certainly a very cautious approach (more so than neighbouring BC) and let's not even mention BoJo the Clown's as we have cases 8 times higher (and highest in Europe) but hey, we have bigger poo-poo to worry about - petrol, heating, food etc. All crises of our own making; well 17.5 million of us' making... Toofy Grin


Don’t be surprised to see Wales introduce a firebreak of some sort during school half term end of October, if not sooner.


Extra week off school is very much on the cards
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Mr.Egg wrote:

Don’t be surprised to see Wales introduce a firebreak of somesort during school half term end of October, if not sooner.


Am in schools a lot at the mo. They're not planning for it.
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@Charliegolf, they are in our area. Mrs A is secondary teacher and are working on the plan b situation actively.
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