 Poster: A snowHead
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Tell you what, those winchmen have got balls of steel.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Now the race is stopped for a course worker who has had a fall! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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What a cursed course this is. A worker now badly injured.
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Its all happening, now a poor course worker has fallen with a racer on the way down having to be flagged off.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| What a cursed course this is. A worker now badly injured. |
Those of us sHs who have skied the course know that it is a nice enjoyable black run, but when we ski it a) we aren't racing and b) the course isn't race prepared with water injection etc to make it faster and icier. The two downhill races on the same course which took place on Friday and Saturday will have had the skiers going at significantly faster speeds than today's Super G, yet they went off without any really bad crashes (Breezy Johnson went at some speed into the safety netting on Saturday but without any harm).
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@Alastair Pink, yeah it looks lovely. I’ve always thought it looks like a nice one to ski, something about today though!
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Those are the kind of crashes that would put you off skiing. Stomach churning stuff. 
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Horrible crashes. Even with a warning, I'm not sure they should be uploaded here. I was a bit surprised when Eurosport showed a slow-motion replay of the Austrian woman's accident and, clearly, you could hear the horror in commentator Matt Chilton's voice. I'm not squeamish but I won't be watching again.
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| LOTA wrote: |
| Horrible crashes. Even with a warning, I'm not sure they should be uploaded here. |
I did think carefully about whether to provide the links here. Many people will not have seen the incidents live and may wonder what exactly happened, what initiated the loss of control etc. However, the crashes were brutal in the extreme, hence the warnings I gave and I left it up to the individual as to whether they wished to see the TV coverage. It does show the effectiveness of the safety netting in stopping the skiers, just imagine how worse the outcome could be without it, bearing in mind there are trees and other hazards not that far beyond the netting. It is a salutary reminder of the potential risk the racers face in taking part in such high speed sport, and gives cause for us mere holiday skiers to respect their ability and courage even more.
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@robboj, yes the first one in particular gave me the shudders. It looked like tib and fib underneath the knee to me, which is what I did at the bottom of a black in Zell am See. I didn’t ski for about 6 years after that.
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Looks like Eurosport don’t replay crashes immediately when there is sign of a brain injury, the skier is unconscious / is not making any noise (its the quiet you need to watch out for as was taught on first aid courses I went on years ago.). They might replay them later when the extent of injuries are known.
The rest, where its limbs, look like its all part of the sport.
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You know it makes sense.
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Austrian news is reporting that both have had emergency operations. Other racers waiting to start said they heard screams back in the starting area and it was difficult to block the effects out during their race. Sometimes the bone(s) breaking saves more damage to ligaments etc and bones can heal faster/better than other injuries too - I hope this is the case for both racers.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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FIS have recently tweeted an update on Austrian skier Rosina Schneeberger's condition: https://twitter.com/fisalpine/status/1366294097086963716
Quote: Update: after yesterday’s crash, Rosina Schneeberger was diagnosed with a fracture of the right tibia and fibula. She was successfully operated in the evening in Innsbruck. The fracture was stabilised with an intramedullary nail.
I guess as she's Austrian they decided to transfer her to Innsbruck, where there are specialists in leg and knee repairs. I'm not sure if she was taken directly there from San Pellegrino or whether they took her to a closer hospital first, possibly Bozen/Bolzano?
No status update as yet on the Norwegian skier.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Horrible, horrific crashes.
The second, at least, appeared to break her leg at the contact with the gate. Not sure exactly what the tech solution is but it looks like a more breakaway fixing would prevent a catastrophic straddle.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Alastair Pink, kasja vickhoff lie taken to Trento. Tib and fib plus possibly knee. I saw a report last night she was being transferred to Innsbruck where there would also be more tests for ligament damage due to the torsional forces on the knee
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@holidayloverxx, thanks for that. I'm sure we all wish both skiers successful recovery after what were horrific crashes.
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There is an instagram picture of the two of them sitting up in beds next to each other so would guess both are in Innsbruck.
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A report (translated by an Italian website) on both skiers here: https://www.italy24news.com/en/2021/02/fractured-leg-also-for-schneeberger.html
As has been said Kasja Vickhoff Lie was first taken to hospital in Trento and then moved on to the Innsbruck hospital where both skiers have now been operated on and it seems from rjs's report that they are in beds next to each other, hopefully they'll be able to give each other some mental support as they recover from their ordeal.
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@Alastair Pink, yes...that was the report I read last night. I couldn't find it again
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| rjs wrote: |
| There is an instagram picture of the two of them sitting up in beds next to each other so would guess both are in Innsbruck. |
link please?
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Consequence of the sport where you have really long levers attached very firmly to the leg - given that racers run DINs far in excess of recreational skiers. Not pleasant though - enough to mentally end a career at least in speed disciplines if not physically.
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Would i be correct in thinking that those participants in GS and downhill,do not wear the same lower leg protection as the slalom skiers do- clearly the slalom event the skiers expect indeed utilise the leg to move the gates. Should this type of protection be compulsory in the speed disciplines too ?
The vast majority of injuries seen annually are knee ligament rather than fractures, unusual and horrible to see two such dramatic injuries in the same event.
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| Consequence of the sport where you have really long levers .... |
You don't work as a Eurosport commentator on the side, do you? 
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@Roguevfr, plastic/carbon protection that is used in slalom wouldn't do anything when hitting plastic poles at 130km/h. Next to that, it's actually forbidden with current rules (not enough airflow, and therefore considered as aerodynamic help). As for injures, regardless on this how bad it looks, it's actually much easier to get back to racing after something like this, then after tearing whole bunch of ligaments in knee. This is few month rehab and they will be like new, with no consequences, so I'm pretty sure both of them will be normally racing next season. Ligaments on the other side are not so easy, even though on TV most of injuries involved ligaments don't look this bad.
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Ok the topic of Austrian doctors and broken tib & fib.... here’s what they put in my leg many moons ago. It was removed 6 months later as I was still a teenager and growing, so there was a risk it could stunt the growth in my leg if it didn’t come out in time.
Purposefully left as a link rather than an embedded image just in case there are any squeamish people looking!
https://imgur.com/gallery/0Rixez0
Edit: The 20p is for scale. They didn't leave that in there! 
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At least for Schneeberger they used different thing... intramedullary rod. Looks way worse, but works better, but it also depends on type of injury. Next thing is, you can't really compare treatment and rehab that top athlete is getting then this what normal people are getting. So as I wrote earlier, I'm almost 100% sure, they will be back racing on begging of next winter.
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You know it makes sense.
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You also can’t compare treatments between today and many years ago. The knowledge and technology have come on in leaps and bounds, not to mention the materials available.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| rjs wrote: |
| There is an instagram picture of the two of them sitting up in beds next to each other so would guess both are in Innsbruck. |
link please? |
Don't have a link to instagram but the picture was in this article.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@rjs, thanks...I found it
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| primoz wrote: |
| @Roguevfr, plastic/carbon protection that is used in slalom wouldn't do anything when hitting plastic poles at 130km/h. Next to that, it's actually forbidden with current rules (not enough airflow, and therefore considered as aerodynamic help).. |
Wouldn't do anything is somewhat a glib remark.
It would do something, and if it didn't do enough then it should be simple enough to design better equipment that wouldsuffice.
As for the rules: that's for them to amend as required in order to protect the athletes. Aerodynamic aid is irrelevant provided all competitors are equally equipped.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Roguevfr, Slalom leg guards won't stop you breaking your tib and fib.
It was a Super-G so they are allowed to have arm guards outside their race suits.
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| rjs wrote: |
@Roguevfr, Slalom leg guards won't stop you breaking your tib and fib.
It was a Super-G so they are allowed to have arm guards outside their race suits. |
I didn't say they would . Even as they are at present they would mitigate the impact .
Did you miss the part where I said they should be designed to protect adequately at the impact in question ?
Why are the arm guards adequately designed but there are no similar leg guards ?
Do the helmets worn in all disciplines equally protect or are there "slalom helmets " and downhill helmets ?
It's not as if there are no other potentially high impact sports to compare.
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When my boys raced there were indeed Slalom helmets and GS helmets - they didn't do anything faster than that for which I am very thankful. Its bad enough watching them crash at FIS GS speeds, let alone World Cup Superg or Downhill speeds.
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When I raced we didn’t wear helmets for Slalom or GS, Super G hadn’t been invented & we had proper wooden poles with flags on top! We collected some colourful bruises!
We also just had a bit of sponge padding in jumpers and trousers.
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Here's a photo of the two skiers together in Innsbruck hospital, hopefully on the mend.
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Men are racing DH tomorrow at Saalbach Hinterglemm with the race starting at 1120 CET, they race again DH on Saturday and then SG Sunday. This will be the penultimate speed weekend before the season concludes in 2 weeks time in Lenzerheide
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PS Is there a Women's GS on Sat at 0830 UK Time?
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FAQ
). At age 66 I'm content to pootle around at a pace I'm comfortable with. Huge respect though for the racers who do have the skill and courage to take part in such sporting activity. 
Wishing both skiers in today's incidents good recoveries, but I'm sure it'll be next season before they'll be able to get back on skis to any significant extent.
