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Protocols for the winter have been published and widely publicised. All fairly simple, sensible stuff. Gondola and cable car capacity not specifically mentioned but there is a blanket statement about reducing capacity.
https://www.france-montagnes.com/covid-19-quel-protocole-cet-hiver-dans-les-stations-de-ski
La pratique des sports de glisse est une pratique de plein air, où l’équipement (gants, ski, bâtons...) favorise les gestes barrières. Dans certains lieux publics, la capacité d’accueil peut être réduite. Le masque est obligatoire à partir de 11 ans. Vous trouverez ci-dessous les mesures de protection mises en place lors de votre parcours en station.
Pour accéder à la station, dans les transports publics
Port du masque obligatoire sur les quais et dans les bus.
Remontées mécaniques
Port du masque obligatoire dans les files d’attente et sur les remontées mécaniques.
Désinfection quotidienne des zones de contact.
Chez le loueur de matériel
Port du masque obligatoire.
Désinfection du matériel loué.
Gel hydro-alcoolique à disposition.
Dans votre hébergement et les Offices de Tourisme
Port du masque obligatoire dans les parties communes et closes.
Gel hydro-alcoolique à disposition.
Désinfection des surfaces de contact et fréquence de nettoyage augmentée.
Dans les bars / restaurants
Service assis uniquement.
Espacement des tables d’au moins 1 mètre ou présence d’une paroi fixe ou amovible assurant une séparation physique.
Port du masque obligatoire pour les clients lors des déplacements dans l’établissement.
Gel hydro-alcoolique à disposition.
Désinfection des surfaces de contactet fréquence de nettoyage augmentée.
À l’École de Ski
Port du masque obligatoire lors des rassemblements au début et à la fin des cours, pour le moniteur et pourles élèves de 11 ans et plus.
Dans les bâtiments, pour les espaces publics :
• Port du masque obligatoirepour les personnes de 11 ans et plus.
• Gel hydro-alcoolique à disposition.
• Désinfection des surfaces.
Désinfection du matériel prêté (dossards, DVA,...)
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The practice of sliding sports is an outdoor practice, where the equipment (gloves, ski, poles ...) promotes barrier gestures. In some public places, the reception capacity may be reduced. The mask is compulsory from 11 years old. You will find below the protective measures put in place during your journey in the resort.
To access the station, by public transport
Wearing a mask is compulsory on the platforms and in the buses.
Lifts
Wearing a mask is compulsory in the queues and on the ski lifts.
Daily disinfection of contact areas.
At the equipment rental company
Wearing a mask is compulsory.
Disinfection of rented equipment.
Hydro-alcoholic gel available.
In your accommodation and at the Tourist Offices
Wearing a mask is compulsory in common and enclosed areas.
Hydro-alcoholic gel available.
Disinfection of contact surfaces and increased cleaning frequency.
In bars / restaurants
Seated service only.
Table spacing of at least 1 meter or the presence of a fixed or removable wall ensuring physical separation.
Wearing a mask is compulsory for customers when traveling in the establishment.
Hydro-alcoholic gel available.
Disinfection of contact surfaces and increased cleaning frequency.
At the Ski School
Wearing a mask compulsory during gatherings at the start and end of lessons, for the instructor and for students aged 11 and over.
In buildings, for public spaces:
• Wearing a mask is compulsory for people aged 11 and over.
• Hydro-alcoholic gel available.
• Surface disinfection.
Disinfection of loaned equipment (bibs, DVA, ...). |
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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We'll see what kind of season there really is.
Ski clubs have been advised by the authorities that there may be regional / departmental level lockdowns - so for example you would not be able to travel to the Savoie from the Isere.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst, seems to be the watchwords for 2020/21.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Claude B,
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Remontées mécaniques
Port du masque obligatoire dans les files d’attente et sur les remontées mécaniques.
Désinfection quotidienne des zones de contact.
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Crikey. How many masks are we supposed to have? Or are we just expected to carry one and use it like a dirty rag? First thoughts are that it's not looking pleasant or viable. 
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@achilles, don't you usually carry a number of masks with you? I have two fabric masks which are washed daily, but I usually carry a fresh paper disposable each day as a back-up. Masks have become a normal part of life.
These measures seem much in line with what has been proposed here. Although there is talk of bars/restaurants having fixed hours, so closing for deep cleaning shortly after the end of the ski day before reopening for the evening.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Fairly reasonable especially if this allows for a near normal ski season. Don’t most have a built in mask while skiing anyways? Pull up your neck scarf or double duty the balaclava if necessary
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@queenie pretty please, I carry only one disposable one, which seems to last a couple of weeks ...
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I have one fabric one and a buff (actually, a whole drawer of buffs!). They get washed regularly, though I do not need to use them every day. It is rare to see one being worn where it is not mandated – I wouldn't say they were normal, more a reluctant use item.
The disposable ones contribute to single use plastic waste (maybe not paper ones, I haven't seen those), and are now littering the countryside  Not to mention expensive.
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Restricting lift capacity would, in my opinion, be the most problematic. I’m not into the apres scene as much anymore so the restaurant/bar protocols won’t bother me that much.
Overall I see this as a (relatively) positive development.
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| garfmiller wrote: |
Restricting lift capacity would, in my opinion, be the most problematic. I’m not into the apres scene as much anymore so the restaurant/bar protocols won’t bother me that much.
Overall I see this as a (relatively) positive development. |
maybe season ticket holders will need to register the days they want to ski...
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Weathercam wrote: |
And no-one from the Isere and Savoie to the Hautes Alpes would be the icing on the gateau 
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The cerise on the cake even. Do you get many Savoyards? if so you have my commiserations.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Scarlet, I use public transport every day, plus we have to wear masks at work when away from our desks. Masks are totally normal for me now. The paper ones can go in the incinerator waste if you tear the metal strip out. I agree it's very nasty seeing them simply dropped on the ground, but that seems pretty rare here.
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| davidof wrote: |
| garfmiller wrote: |
Restricting lift capacity would, in my opinion, be the most problematic. I’m not into the apres scene as much anymore so the restaurant/bar protocols won’t bother me that much.
Overall I see this as a (relatively) positive development. |
maybe season ticket holders will need to register the days they want to ski... |
That’s what some N. American resorts (Epic/Vail) are doing I believe. Not ideal for locals perhaps, but maybe good for organized holiday planners...
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You know it makes sense.
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| queenie pretty please wrote: |
@achilles, don't you usually carry a number of masks with you? I have two fabric masks which are washed daily, but I usually carry a fresh paper disposable each day as a back-up. Masks have become a normal part of life.
These measures seem much in line with what has been proposed here. Although there is talk of bars/restaurants having fixed hours, so closing for deep cleaning shortly after the end of the ski day before reopening for the evening. |
I don’t carry several masks on my person. I have several disposable masks in a cardboard box in the car. Used ones go into a bin also kept in the car. The bin is emptied into a household bin kept for landfill rubbish. Fortunately I do not go into environments requiring regular mask use.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Do you get many Savoyards? if so you have my commiserations. |
What's wrong with them? Is it the fact that most of them are actually Swiss or expats?.....very few genuine savoie families left here as far as I can tell, apart from the farmers, who don't tend to ski much in La Grave.
I imagine 95% of the haute savoie raclette munching community have never needed to head south for skiing anyway.
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Thu 17-09-20 10:22; edited 2 times in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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@achilles,
I have 3 masks I alternate that are washable and have replaceable filters. During the day when I don't need to be wearing it I fold it carefully so the inside does not touch the outside and then put it in a resealable ziplok bag. This allows the same mask to be worn quite successfully for a day without becoming a 'dirty rag'.
I grant you that elements of it are going to be miserable, but lets face it a busy lift queue was always a misery, and maybe this might finally stop the bunching up and general scrum like chaos as there will a) be less people and b) they will be more considerate out of a desire to preserve their own skin.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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For convenience, I've added a Google translated version to the OP.
If any FrancophonicHeads notice any significant errors in meaning from the original please PM Admin.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@admin, my French is too rusty to comment on the above, but for ref, the site https://www.deepl.com/translator generally gives a superior translation to Google, and you can pick similes for individual words if you know it's giving you nonsense.
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Restricting lift capacity would, in my opinion, be the most problematic. I’m not into the apres scene as much anymore so the restaurant/bar protocols won’t bother me that much.
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It's pretty easy to social distance at my local resort (Lans en Vercors) as they only have drag lifts . I'm not too confident about the coming season but will buy the season pass as usual to support the resort. Any amount of skiing (Covid and snow allowing) will be a bonus.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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If buffs etc. aren’t allowed it will be an utter shambles. Arrive in queue, gloves off, goggles off, helmet off, drop various items, find mask, put on, gather up stuff, glove full of snow, all whilst trying to shuffle forward in a queue. At the top rinse and repeat.
Where can I buy a buff with a surgical mask image printed on it?
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Why wouldn't buffs be allowed. Its a face covering
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| Why wouldn't buffs be allowed. Its a face covering |
A fellow Snowhead reported that they wouldn't accept buffs as suitable face coverings on lifts this summer. Surgical (and gas) masks only
I'm sure someone will be along soon to confirm.
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Line above my post
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..... Others have said that the lifties in France wouldn't accept buffs in the summer.  |
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| DJL wrote: |
Line above my post
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| ..... Others have said that the lifties in France wouldn't accept buffs in the summer. |
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I meant that someone who has been to France in the summer will be along to comment on the experience/confirm the situation regarding ski lifts and masks.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Buffs were acceptable on the Solaise and Olympic lifts in Val d’Isere over the summer.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| polo wrote: |
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Do you get many Savoyards? if so you have my commiserations. |
What's wrong with them? |
as they say in France "if you think a Savoyard is insufferable when he's wrong about something, just wait till he's actually right"
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I was in Les Arcs in the summer, and was stopped from using the Trans Arc Gondola whilst wearing a buff, I had to go and buy a 'proper' mask.
Although when on the other 'open' lifts I wasn't challenged when wearing the buff......
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You know it makes sense.
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You’re allowed to wear a buff in France as long as you are also wearing some skimpy speedos 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Bergmeister wrote: |
| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| Why wouldn't buffs be allowed. Its a face covering |
A fellow Snowhead reported that they wouldn't accept buffs as suitable face coverings on lifts this summer. Surgical (and gas) masks only
I'm sure someone will be along soon to confirm. |
I’m pretty sure that when i was in Chx this Summer buffs weren’t acceptable.
The liftie also got very testy when i was in a gondola with my family and i asked a pair behind to take the next gondola.
He ranted something about being in charge
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Great that this thread is focusing on the important. Face covering will be irrelevant if current trajectory of infection is maintained. I have four trips booked for the upcoming season and think all of them are at risk; chacun sa merde, I guess..
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Snowsartre wrote: |
| Great that this thread is focusing on the important. Face covering will be irrelevant if current trajectory of infection is maintained. I have four trips booked for the upcoming season and think all of them are at risk; chacun sa merde, I guess.. |
I think we all understand that all of our trips are at risk. And, like you, many (including me) will have a number of ski trips already booked.
But the thread is looking at/discussing what will happen in France if we are allowed to ski. Nothing wrong with that.
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I was in Morzine in the summer. Buffs were accepted, but several layers of a fleece jumper wrapped round my (adult) son's head were not! He was not impressed and had to go back to the ticket office to buy a surgical one.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I have a couple trips planned to Les Arcs this winter but I'm not very optimistic that we'll be able to do them. It depends largely on what the French regulations are on quarentine on arrival. Wearing a face mask on the lifts was no problem when I was there in the summer and the rules were being enforced. On the Transarc people were using one car per family group but I cannot see that happening during the winter season. In fact I think we will avoid the telecabines completely this winter and probably the funicular. Fortunately this is easy to do in Les Arcs but will mean that we will not be able to ski the excellent pistes from the top of the Varet lift. I'll put up with that to be able to ski at all.
If the weather is very cold I may even ski with a surgical mask on all the time.
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@Bergmeister, Point taken but can't help thinking it's a case of deckchair arrangement and Titanic. Apologies, however, for being testy.
@johnE, If the surgical mask is the disposable variety, warm breath and cold air will destroy it fairly swiftly as it becomes saturated.
For those not based in continental Europe the expected announcement on a common quarantine policy for EU member states may well render the 'in the Buff or not' conversation academic.
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| Snowsartre wrote: |
| @Bergmeister, Point taken but can't help thinking it's a case of deckchair arrangement and Titanic. Apologies, however, for being testy. |
I agree. The whole situation is 5h1te and all governments are making it up as they go along, to pretend they are in control of an uncontrollable pandemic.
In our minds we have already written off 20/21 as a ski season and any skiing, anywhere,will be a bonus.
We hope to get to France (3Vs) but, as things stand, even a few trips to Scotland would be a bonus. Just as well Mrs B and I are currently working on a DIY (Citroen Relay) campervan conversion... Scotland here we come! 
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Adding to the above: July 2020, funiculaire and Grande Motte cable car in Tignes: persons wearing Buffs were not accepted and were required to wear a traditional mask. Here's to hoping winter happens well !
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| JulieAimeLeSki wrote: |
| Adding to the above: July 2020, funiculaire and Grande Motte cable car in Tignes: persons wearing Buffs were not accepted and were required to wear a traditional mask. Here's to hoping winter happens well ! |
Bingo!
Just as I thought.
The fiasco continues....
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My understanding is that French legislation requires different types of masks to be worn in different scenarios.
For example you must only wear single use surgical masks on an aircraft and you are not allowed to even board if you are wearing a fabric mask.
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FAQ
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