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The All New 20/21 Weather Outlook Thread

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Some areas in Vermont and New Hampshire reported over 3" per hour of snow fall. One location in Ludlow, VT reported 44" in a 12 hour period!

https://www.necn.com/news/local/the-noreaster-dropped-almost-4-feet-of-snow-on-this-new-england-town/2372847/
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Cancel Xmas lunch. Looking like a cold smoke blower pow day Very Happy
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@BobinCH, yeeew! Starting to look like ‘21 will get off to a good start!
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The high altitude rain, refreeze and mild foehn haven't done much for conditions over the last few days. Today (in the French Chartreuse) it was either scralped hardpack or breakable mush. It's time like this that people are grateful they are still doing piste bashing Happy.

No FOMO today wink. We're expecting a weather system tomorrow but not much incoming and at what altitude?

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The problem with perfect 10day Op charts (28th yesterday) is that they can only downgrade, even if temporarily.

From a perfect GEM 12z yesterday, the next run is a shocker. It's all got to do with the energy coming off the eastern seaboard, and how big a ridge gets thrown up before reaching the alps. (UKMO also needs to sharpen up as it's not ideal at t+144).


GFS 06z at the same timeframe sticks to script, and the mean charts are still solid.


Further out at month end strat warming is appearing over urals / scandi, as a result of the long established blocking we've seen over that area in the troposphere for a few months


So a vortex split / SSW seems to be building into the new year
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@davidof, not much expected tomorrow

WRF probably the best case with 10cm to 1600m on average in Haute Savoie



And a little rain to 2200m on Tues
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Yeah not great in the short term here. Ski touring off the menu for the moment even if conditions are acceptable higher up.
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Big snowfall (some records) this week in:

* US
* Japan
* Morocco

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Pineapple flavored express coming through the PNW ATM. Dumping copious amounts of moisture in the form that weather folks refer to as rain. About 6cm's plus over the past 24 hours. Colder temps will come in after the atmospheric river vacates the area. Possible low pressure coming in bound off the North Pacific Ocean coming right about Christmas day. Might be a Boxing Day snow event for British Columbia and down South into the Cascades.
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AO is going deep south in latest ens prognosis. Looks like the big picture with cold weather from Christmas Eve and to the start of the new year is here to stay for the Alps. Will probably see some good snowfall episodes for large areas. Same goes for Pyrenees. Warmer in Eastern Europe. This development might continue into the first weeks of January.
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Despite the cold and good synoptics, GFS 00z still doesn't see much snowfall out to the 29th.....apart from Scotland and Norway, most of alps only showing 20-30cm over the next 8-9 days. This is wrong.



ECM 00z mean anomaly for 28th is line with NOAA from last week, off the charts atlantic high pressure, with the low over europe down towards Iberia.


And the strat wind collapse gathers pace....latest Op run well into SSW territory, mean is closer to zero though. So the vortex is smashed to pieces, just a question of where they fall.


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The folks at Severe Weather are getting excited over the "significant" possibility of a SSW event early in the new year https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/stratosphere-major-winter-warming-watch-january-2021-fa/ . When one of these events has happened in previous winters it most often causes an outbreak of wintery weather ie cold and snowy for both the Alps and parts of the US
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@polo, I really like that last graph Cool Completes the winter puzzle Cool
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Yeah I talk about the SSW here too, and the positive current and future atmospheric conditions:
https://longrangesnowcenter.net/2020/12/20/europe-on-the-long-term-20th-dec/

Looking very nice for cold for the Alps, emphasis on snowfall on the southern side and for the UK, during late December and the first few weeks of the new year.
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@Jellybeans1000, with the trop already in favourable -AO, how do you see the link up with the strat evolving? If we see the classic downwelling of negative (easterly) wind anomalies from the strat towards the trop layer, I wonder how that will impact the AO.....hard to see it going any more negative than it already is, I mean there's only so much high pressure you can amass over the arctic.

So I suppose best case is a prolonged spell of the status quo (-AO)......worst case any downwelling might mess this up?
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Thinking about my own question, this seems to be a trop led warming event (ie bottom up), so the entire airmass above us up to 30km high is forecast to have a net easterly windflow, there probably won't be any downwelling from an SSW.

Anyway back in the short term, I just checked this temp anomaly chart for the next 10 days, and it's surprisingly mild across most of europe, outside the alps and western coasts



(mild relative to the 20th-century average)
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Colder west and south


Snow charts looking better


Strat vortex split still unsure early Jan, but looks like a displacement at least of the main vortex towards europe.....no guarantee that it will prolong the wintery state already over much of europe at ground level, but it's a positive for some sustained cold
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28 December looking like quite a hit for the Italian/Austrian border at present.

GFS



ECM

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Rare hair ice found in Scotland.

Formed by fungus "breathing" out moisture in winter on dead wood.

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Something of value posted by Whitegold?? 2020 really has been a screwed up year.
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This is what -50c / -60f currently looks like (in Russia).

May hit -70c next week.

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Really? rolling eyes I doubt you’d be out walking the dog in your jeans and a normal winter jacket if it was -50C.
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Russians love the deepfreeze.

It is how they beat Austria and Germany on the Eastern Front of WW2 wink
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Some stunning crisp sunny conditions this morning out east. Bit windy up high.

More snow on the way.



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Impressive northern blocking developing in New Year on both GFS and ECM tonight.







Likely to favour below average temperatures for the start of 2021.
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Snowing in Green Bay, WI during the NFL Packers vs Titans. Love to watch a game in a snowstorm! Very Happy

High pressure developed on Sunday for the Pacific West Coast, which will hang around through Tuesday, and then a storm will push in off the Coast near Vancouver Island, BC, and work its way down into Washington North Cascades during Wednesday early morning. I would expect some storm skiing on Wednesday.

A weak system should also provide a dust up for the Tahoe resorts late Wed./Thursday.

Colorado will see snow develop on Monday through Tuesday. Storm is coming from the SW, so Telluride, Wolf Mtn. Purgatory (Durango) could do well with a foot or more.
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The negative AO situation that we have seen for a while seems to last into 2021 as expected. A high will build up over North Atlantic / Scandinavia in the beginning of the New Year, while the low activity will forced on a more southern track. It seems that the Southern Alps once again might be the snow winner in the first half of January. Cold weather in Western Europe will continue deep into January.

It also seems pretty certain that we will have an sudden stratospheric warming in the beginning of January. Still some uncertainty whether it will be a split with one over Europe and one over NA, or one displacement from NA to Europe. The latter one is not the most favourable for cold and dry European weather. Anyhow, might start to see the effects from around 15th of January.

Southern Alps might see an epic winter this year. What a shame that it cannot be fully utilized.
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@Woosh, good call a few weeks ago on the prolonged -AO spell. Very much in line with solar min analogues showing deep -AO in the first year of a new cycle.

8-10 day mean charts tell the story.....very southerly jet, no atlantic ridge, same pattern as the last strong La Nina in Dec 2010 I think.


Mini ice age vs Global boiling all in the same chart.....southerly jet advects warm air up the eastern flank into central europe


Plenty of snow for everyone


And the mean GFS strat wind forecast is now below zero for the first half of Jan (ie technical SSW, wind reversal to net easterly)
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GFS models indicate a low pressure well off in the Pacific is marching toward the Northern West Coast. If that path continues, it should arrive after New Years and is starting to shape up to bring another round of snow to British Columbia and the North/Central Cascades in Washington and down into the Southern Cascades of Oregon. Will keep an eye on this as it has potential to bring in a series of storms into the first week of January.

Meanwhile, folks in Colorado should see snow falling in SW CO today, and the storm will make its way across the state and bring a nice refresh to the Central Mtns and toward the Front Range resorts. Could be a really nice powder day for most ski areas in CO on Tuesday.
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Exciting times. A well written article from Judah Cohen regarding the negative AO and NAO in the next weeks and the SSW and the potential impact.

https://www.aer.com/science-research/climate-weather/arctic-oscillation/

Looks like we can put this moderate La Nina in the predicted box that @Polo showed before the winter started.
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The snowfall figures that have been put out be the various weather services for the last few days have been pretty much F.I. for the French Alps but the Massif Central suffered a snowmaggedon event with people stuck for hours on the A75 motorway that bisects the region after local authorities failed to control HGV traffic on the road which then blocked the highway.
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The snowfall figures that have been put out be the various weather services for the last few days have been pretty much F.I. for the French Alps


Not the ideal thread for conditions updates imv, but you leave me little choice......40cm since Sunday in PdS / GM



From today below Tete de Bostan, about 1600m
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More snow headed for Ost Tirol and the Dolomites on Friday/Saturday.

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Meanwhile Avalanche level 4 in the back country of southern Ost Tirol which in last 24 hours received “often 20-40 cm, from place to place as much as 60 cm of fresh snow, amid strong wind influence.”

https://avalanche.report/blog/avalanche-warning-service-tirol.blogspot.com/4871244089655726597
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To roundoff 2020...

The world's hottest ever year on record.

Global boiling is really taking hold this century.

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@Whitegold, your graph shows 2020 as cooler than 2016 wink

Though I'm certainly not denying that the world is warming up.
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Meanwhile Avalanche level 4 in the back country of southern Ost Tirol which in last 24 hours received “often 20-40 cm, from place to place as much as 60 cm of fresh snow, amid strong wind influence.”

https://avalanche.report/blog/avalanche-warning-service-tirol.blogspot.com/4871244089655726597


Yikes! Stay safe out there people.
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