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Brexit and passport validity

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Dear all,

Off skiing on Feb 14th for a week to France. Just noticed the kids passports expire April 20th this year. Regarding Brexit, am I correct in assuming that due to the 'transition' period beyond 11pm tomorrow these will be ok to travel on? The advice on the ukgov website seems to imply that things would only potentially change in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Thanks for any advice.
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I’m in exactly the same situation with my daughter. My understanding is that as long as the passport is valid for the entire trip then it’s fine. Things may change next year but we’re ok for now.
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Jonesj wrote:
I’m in exactly the same situation with my daughter. My understanding is that as long as the passport is valid for the entire trip then it’s fine. Things may change next year but we’re ok for now.


Thanks for the speedy reply. Yes, that's how I understood it, i.e. from Jan 1st 2021. The passports are in date for the trip so I assume it to be 'business as usual' through the transition period.
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Official line is business as usual at the moment
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I thought passports have to be valid for at least six months at the time of travelling. Worth double checking the gov website.
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https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=151026&highlight=passport

I ended up paying up for the 2 day turnaround one as Lufthansa stated they required 6 months. I think they are wrong and that we would have been fine but couldn't take the risk
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Andrew911 wrote:
I thought passports have to be valid for at least six months at the time of travelling. Worth double checking the gov website.


For travelling to France, passports should be valid for the proposed duration of your stay - you don't need any additional period of validity on your passport beyond this (gov.UK). It's the situation around Brexit that might have upset this (and may still cause things to change after the transition period).
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I ended up paying up for the 2 day turnaround one as Lufthansa stated they required 6 months. I think they are wrong and that we would have been fine but couldn't take the risk


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I thought passports have to be valid for at least six months at the time of travelling. Worth double checking the gov website.


Most airlines have this policy to cover themself from liabilty as they have to cover the cost (return flight) and financial sanctions if a passengers does not have the necessary entry/exit documents. In the UK its called Immigration (Carriers' Liability) Act 1987.

Your passport might be vaild, but the airline can refuse to take you.

Edit: The Immigration (Carriers' Liability) Act 1987 was withdrawn on 27 April 2016. Not sure if something else replaced it.
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Hi - I checked recently and I think you have to check with airline. The airline may then tell you to check with the country of entry. Eg for my trip EasyJet had no restrictions and Switzerland only require validity for duration of trip.
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UK government has updated the websites relating to the transition period, and the post-Brexit period from 1 Jan 2021:

https://www.gov.uk/transition

"The current rules on trade, travel, and business for the UK and EU will continue to apply during the transition period."

https://www.gov.uk/visit-europe-1-january-2021

"Passports: check if you need to renew
You may need to renew your British passport earlier if you’re travelling from 1 January 2021.

On the day you travel, you’ll need your passport to both:

have at least 6 months left
be less than 10 years old (even if it has 6 months or more left)"
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And furthermore - post Brexit in 2021:

"Border control: you may have to show your return ticket and money
At border control, you may need to:

show a return or onward ticket
show you have enough money for your stay
use separate lanes from EU, EEA and Swiss citizens when queueing"
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Nothing changes in the transition period now that everything has been signed off on both sides. I'm sure that doesn't stop airlines applying their own rules, but everything should carry on as before until the end of December. Then it's anyone's guess.
We are heading out tomorrow morning as we wanted to be out of the country with the dog before the 11pm 31/01 deadline, just in case (this is while everything was still up in the air). Having said that, it looks like in future it will be all change as articles like this are already being pushed (but who knows if it's scaremongering): https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-travel-how-to-government-advice-mobile-roaming-passports-insurance-a9309246.html

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@Ormie31, It's not scaremongering, it's from the UK government's own website.
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Was refused entry into Malaysia last year as daughter's passport was due to expire in 4 months.
Had to make an on the spot decision at Heathrow to fly to Bangkok instead, and change entire holiday plans. It was either that or no holiday.
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"It's not scaremongering, it's from the UK government's own website."
I wouldn't trust anything written in the (not very) Independent about Brexit. It's almost as biased as the Guardian.
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After the Transition Period Brits will be subject (very likely) to the same rules as the US

90 days

**Make sure you receive a stamp in your passport when you enter and exit the Schengen area.**

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/before-you-go/travelers-with-special-considerations/schengen.html


DO NOT OVERSTAY !!

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/consequences-of-overstaying-in-schengen-area/
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No point talking about after the transition period on here as yet. It's as you were for this ski season. "The current rules on trade, travel, and business for the UK and EU will continue to apply during the transition period".
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In that case, you'll be fine. Unless you are staying till April!

Re scaremongering, probably not the best choice of word. "Not set in stone" probably a better phrase. Last October the governments own website had very different guidelines, all subject to change. So I'm going to agree with Legend and halt any talk about after the transition period.
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Interestingly, I read through the 'le tunnel' webpage which seemed to state that UK passports would need to have at least 6 months on them to travel to the EU.

I contacted 'le tunnel' directly and have been informed that the webpage requires updating and that we will be fine to travel on these passports so long as they obviously do not expire while we are there - there is no requirement for additional validity.

One would think they'd be keen to update this webpage given the proximity to half term and the ensuing madness of travel. I'm sure it would take the pressure of many agencies and organisations.
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It will be great to have to go through the non eu,eea or swiss channel far shorter queues, even allowing for the brits it will still be quicker
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robs1 wrote:
It will be great to have to go through the non eu,eea or swiss channel far shorter queues, even allowing for the brits it will still be quicker

In the case of ending up with No Deal - you could be looking at up to 5 hour delays at Passport Control, due to the extra immigration checks....until Airports put extra facilities in place (which is unlikely to start until the UK's position becomes clear).
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Old Fartbag wrote:
robs1 wrote:
It will be great to have to go through the non eu,eea or swiss channel far shorter queues, even allowing for the brits it will still be quicker

In the case of ending up with No Deal - you could be looking at up to 5 hour delays at Passport Control, due to the extra immigration checks....until Airports put extra facilities in place (which is unlikely to start until the UK's position becomes clear).


Will never happen, the swiss have already said they will be adding uk to the list in eu,eea etc section, just more project fear, it doesnt even take that long in the states to get in and they ARE parnoid, have been to chambery several times and there was absolutely NO passport control, the staff had all gone home, maybe at times there maybe some points to be made but in general any flight from the UK is not going to have anymore issues than now
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robs1 wrote:
Old Fartbag wrote:
robs1 wrote:
It will be great to have to go through the non eu,eea or swiss channel far shorter queues, even allowing for the brits it will still be quicker

In the case of ending up with No Deal - you could be looking at up to 5 hour delays at Passport Control, due to the extra immigration checks....until Airports put extra facilities in place (which is unlikely to start until the UK's position becomes clear).


Will never happen, the swiss have already said they will be adding uk to the list in eu,eea etc section, just more project fear, it doesnt even take that long in the states to get in and they ARE parnoid, have been to chambery several times and there was absolutely NO passport control, the staff had all gone home, maybe at times there maybe some points to be made but in general any flight from the UK is not going to have anymore issues than now

I am not getting into a Brexit argument - but most of what was put down as project fear, has come to be project reality......and the reality is very likely to be reciprocal ie. The freer the movement we accept/allow into the UK, the easier it will be....but Brexit was all about stopping free movement, which means European ESTAs. In the event of No Deal, then Nothing is in place and delays will almost certainly happen. The numbers have been crunched and at 90 secs per person, the time adds up.

Govt's own assessment (Operation Yellowhammer): https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

As a Member, the only check, is that the Passport belongs to the holder.....but only time will tell what delays, or not, will happen.


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No.
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Old Fartbag wrote:
robs1 wrote:
Old Fartbag wrote:
robs1 wrote:
It will be great to have to go through the non eu,eea or swiss channel far shorter queues, even allowing for the brits it will still be quicker

In the case of ending up with No Deal - you could be looking at up to 5 hour delays at Passport Control, due to the extra immigration checks....until Airports put extra facilities in place (which is unlikely to start until the UK's position becomes clear).


Will never happen, the swiss have already said they will be adding uk to the list in eu,eea etc section, just more project fear, it doesnt even take that long in the states to get in and they ARE parnoid, have been to chambery several times and there was absolutely NO passport control, the staff had all gone home, maybe at times there maybe some points to be made but in general any flight from the UK is not going to have anymore issues than now

I am not getting into a Brexit argument - but most of what was put down as project fear, has come to be project reality......and the reality is very likely to be reciprocal ie. The freer the movement we accept/allow into the UK, the easier it will be....but Brexit was all about stopping free movement, which means European ESTAs. In the event of No Deal, then Nothing is in place and delays will almost certainly happen. The numbers have been crunched and at 90 secs per person, the time adds up.

Govt's own assessment (Operation Yellowhammer): https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/831199/20190802_Latest_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

As a Member, the only check, is that the Passport belongs to the holder.....but only time will tell what delays, or not, will happen.


That was an worse case scenario produced by a government dept that didnt want us to leave, as you say time will tell, and we all know the French will play silly bugs just because they can but in the end money will be the driver , Im certainly not concerned about what will happen
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That was an worse case scenario produced by a government dept that didnt want us to leave, as you say time will tell, and we all know the French will play silly bugs just because they can but in the end money will be the driver , Im certainly not concerned about what will happen

I was originally talking about a No Deal.....and given that a Trade Deal almost certainly won't be ready by the end of the year, then the options will be:
- Crash Out
- Remain very closely aligned, to get it done quickly
- Extend the TP to allow a divergent deal to play out

The belief that we will be treated different to everyone else is totally false (imo). As a Third Country, the rules surrounding Third Countries will apply. Remember, it's this Pro Brexit Govt that is now putting out this information - they just don't want you to read it too closely.
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As far as I know passports will still be respected on Monday BUT as of midnight tonight importing a Car to France (Prefecture dependent) from the UK will be the same tax and inspections as from the USA.....so more or less impossible! This isn't the only thing effected, but it is one I can talk of with certainty !
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@Idris, I carefully imported my car on 26th October in case of a no-deal Brexit on the 31st. I didn't fancy paying the VAT again.
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@robs1 'produced by a government dept that didnt want us to leave'

Yellowhammer was a cross-government programme managed and directed by the Cabinet, not some George Soros evil mastermind, minion-infiltration exercise.
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@robs1 'produced by a government dept that didnt want us to leave'

Yellowhammer was a cross-government programme managed and directed by the Cabinet, not some George Soros evil mastermind, minion-infiltration exercise.


It was a "worse case scenario" ie let's see how bad we can make it look. Guess it depends on whether someone is a glass half full or empty. A bit like the instant recession we were going to have as soon as a leave vote was the outcome. Didnt happen and neither will the things that report predicts.
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@robs1 'A bit like the instant recession we were going to have as soon as a leave vote was the outcome. Didnt happen'

No one said we'd have an instant recession. What they did say was the trade £ would drop. Which it did, 22%. And that this would make imports more expensive. Which it has, seeing us pay out £160bn extra for imports since the Leave result. And that foreign investors would be deterred. Which they have - foreign investment down 30% in UK vs up 48% in the EU27. And that skilled EU workers would go home early. Which they have - 10,000 EU NHS nurses and clinicians gone home early and most not replaced.

Positing that something no one said would happen hasn't happened is just a diversion from the real facts. Which are dire. I genuinely hope we'll get our £160bn back; that foreign investment in the UK will do a U-turn; and that those 10,000 EU workers will return. But I don't see a single sign of this so far, let alone anyone in government willing to pin their colours to the mast and get specific on when we'll even be back to where we were before the Referendum.
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@robs1 'A bit like the instant recession we were going to have as soon as a leave vote was the outcome. Didnt happen'

No one said we'd have an instant recession. What they did say was the trade £ would drop. Which it did, 22%. And that this would make imports more expensive. Which it has, seeing us pay out £160bn extra for imports since the Leave result. And that foreign investors would be deterred. Which they have - foreign investment down 30% in UK vs up 48% in the EU27. And that skilled EU workers would go home early. Which they have - 10,000 EU NHS nurses and clinicians gone home early and most not replaced.

Positing that something no one said would happen hasn't happened is just a diversion from the real facts. Which are dire. I genuinely hope we'll get our £160bn back; that foreign investment in the UK will do a U-turn; and that those 10,000 EU workers will return. But I don't see a single sign of this so far, let alone anyone in government willing to pin their colours to the mast and get specific on when we'll even be back to where we were before the Referendum.


George Osborne said it on the 23rd may 2016, look it up, was reported by the bbc among others.
Last I saw inward investment into the uk was still more than Germany and france combined.
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robs1 wrote:
It will be great to have to go through the non eu,eea or swiss channel far shorter queues


You know you could always go through those queues if you wanted, right?? You can always go through "all passports"/"all other passports" queues, regardless of what (colour) passport you have.
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