@davidof, My daughter has been tested with regards to swimming, and she is not elite level....yet... so testing does happen even down to lower levels of the sport
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I suspect football, tennis and swimming are worse than cycling but they don't seem to hot on testing.
Sports that are predominantly determined by physical performance (i.e. sprinting, cycling, weightlifting) are always going to rely on doping more than sports requiring a higher percentage of technical skill (i.e. football and tennis). That's not to say there's not doping in those sports too, but I think the difference is likely to be more about the different requirements of the sports rather than testing.
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I suspect football, tennis and swimming are worse than cycling but they don't seem to hot on testing.
Sports that are predominantly determined by physical performance (i.e. sprinting, cycling, weightlifting) are always going to rely on doping more than sports requiring a higher percentage of technical skill (i.e. football and tennis). That's not to say there's not doping in those sports too, but I think the difference is likely to be more about the different requirements of the sports rather than testing.
Football and Tennis players guzzle steroids and other muscle building drugs.
Plus a lot of charlie in Soccer - although not sure whether that counts although it did for Ulrich in Cycling.
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legue wrote:
@davidof, My daughter has been tested with regards to swimming, and she is not elite level....yet... so testing does happen even down to lower levels of the sport
Someone was even busted for doping at a dry ski slope race many moons ago. Bonus points for whoever can remember the full story.
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Football and Tennis players guzzle steroids and other muscle building drugs
Again, I'm not saying that is untrue there is obviously doping in all sports. While EPO and steroids are likely going to have some benefit, it's no use if you don't have the necessary skills to go with it. Look at someone like Federer, clearly not the best athlete physically when compared to some of the other tennis players but still a consistently winning player. On the other hand cycling is all about physical requirements. Doping will improve performance in both sports but is far more necessary to win in some than others.
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legue wrote:
@davidof, My daughter has been tested with regards to swimming, and she is not elite level....yet... so testing does happen even down to lower levels of the sport
Someone was even busted for doping at a dry ski slope race many moons ago. Bonus points for whoever can remember the full story.
TBF if I was stuck on a dry slope I'd want something to make it more interesting too
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davidof wrote:
Football and Tennis players guzzle steroids and other muscle building drugs.
Plus a lot of charlie in Soccer - although not sure whether that counts although it did for Ulrich in Cycling.
There's a classic bit of audio somewhere, in which a tame journalist ascribes Barcelona's success to its human growth hormone project. Then furiously backtracks when it was pointed out that HGH isn't within the rules.
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On 5 July 2006, Fuentes was indignant that only cyclists had been named and said he also worked with tennis and football players.[2] On 27 July 2006, IAAF was assured by Spanish prosecutors that no track and field athletes were involved.[58] On 23 September 2006, former cyclist Jesús Manzano told reporters from France 3 that he had seen "well-known footballers" from La Liga visit the offices of Dr Fuentes.[59]
In May 2007 Sepp Blatter, president of FIFA, at a World Anti-Doping Agency meeting in Montreal, was reportedly interested in the contents "of the Puerto file".[60] Le Monde had reported in December 2006 that they had possession of documents of Fuentes detailing "seasonal preparation plans" for Spanish football clubs FC Barcelona and Real Madrid. These plans did not specifically name any players.[61] No other athletes had been named.
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boarder2020 wrote:
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I suspect football, tennis and swimming are worse than cycling but they don't seem to hot on testing.
Sports that are predominantly determined by physical performance (i.e. sprinting, cycling, weightlifting) are always going to rely on doping more than sports requiring a higher percentage of technical skill (i.e. football and tennis). That's not to say there's not doping in those sports too, but I think the difference is likely to be more about the different requirements of the sports rather than testing.
Football and Tennis players guzzle steroids and other muscle building drugs.
Plus a lot of charlie in Soccer - although not sure whether that counts although it did for Ulrich in Cycling.
Can you back that up with some fact. My son has been tested twice since he has been at the PL club academy he is in.
Would be very surprised if any elite athletes were not doping up.
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davidof wrote:
boarder2020 wrote:
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I suspect football, tennis and swimming are worse than cycling but they don't seem to hot on testing.
Sports that are predominantly determined by physical performance (i.e. sprinting, cycling, weightlifting) are always going to rely on doping more than sports requiring a higher percentage of technical skill (i.e. football and tennis). That's not to say there's not doping in those sports too, but I think the difference is likely to be more about the different requirements of the sports rather than testing.
Football and Tennis players guzzle steroids and other muscle building drugs.
Plus a lot of charlie in Soccer - although not sure whether that counts although it did for Ulrich in Cycling.
Can you back that up with some fact. My son has been tested twice since he has been at the PL club academy he is in.
Yeah sure for more reliable blood testing
Cycling 35% of all drugs tests conducted were blood tests.
Athletics 17.6% of tests were blood tests.
Tennis 3% of their doping control tests on blood last year.
Football 3% of tests were blood tests
Boxing (3.5%)
Gymnastics (1%).
"Matty Fryatt - who played in the Premier League for Hull City, and in all three divisions below the top flight - recalls being drugs tested just five times during his 15-year career." - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43036338
WADA say that absence of evidence in football is because they don't test enough.
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So being tested twice in 11 months is quite exceptional? I don't believe that. My understanding is that it's as much about when you do the testing (in relation to Competition events) as anything else. Everyone always knows where football players are, at least during the season, various other athletes and cyclist fek off to various obscure training camps in wierd corners of the globe, sometimes hanging out with, and training with, people with history, whilst simultaneously appearing in photos with them and denying they know them (see Mo Farah). I am not denying there may be a problem in football, but that it is nothing like as bad as cycling, which buried it's head in the sand when to even laymen there was clearly a problem of epic proportions.
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Football and Tennis players guzzle steroids and other muscle building drugs.
Plus a lot of charlie in Soccer - although not sure whether that counts although it did for Ulrich in Cycling.
There's a classic bit of audio somewhere, in which a tame journalist ascribes Barcelona's success to its human growth hormone project. Then furiously backtracks when it was pointed out that HGH isn't within the rules.
Messi had a growth hormone disorder which Barcelona agreed to fund the medical treatment for (HGH) when they signed him at 13 years old.
Therefore its quite true to say Barca's success is down to human growth hormone and it was completely within the rules.
I suppose the question is who else they may have 'treated' with it! Not that anyone else in there team really matters.
@thecramps, pro cyclists have to account for whereabouts and be available for testing on demand, which is frequently demanded
Of course cycling has issues, but as they're tackling them, and they're very visible, many people assume they are worst offenders. Maybe they are, I suspect other sports have same issues but pretend not to
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Frome is up there
In Somerset, UK? I would have thought Yeovil had more of a drugs problem but from this page I can see you are well informed about Frome's own "needle park"
@davidof,
Needles & syringes all over the place in Yeovil, but that's what you get if you go up North
Anyway, that Seefeld is a dodgy place, full of unsavoury characters
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When I played rugby at lowerish league level half the pack were openly on steroids.
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@thecramps, pro cyclists have to account for whereabouts and be available for testing on demand, which is frequently demanded
Of course cycling has issues, but as they're tackling them, and they're very visible, many people assume they are worst offenders. Maybe they are, I suspect other sports have same issues but pretend not to
Many people assume cycling is worse, simply because it is worse. And surprise surprise some fallout of this Seefeld case... a cyclist, not really unknown one
PS: Pretty much everyone under WADA have to account for whereabouts and out of competition tests, so it's not that cycling does so much better. And another proof doping tests are useless.... guy "caught red handed" was tested 2 days before he got caught... negative, same as his partner in sprint relay (the other Austrian that got caught), so I guess they waren't doped
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You can win $1m from a needle.
Everyone would do the same.
Fascinating insight into your moral and ethical compass. Says so much more about you than “everyone” else.
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Many people assume cycling is worse, simply because it is worse.
PS: Pretty much everyone under WADA have to account for whereabouts and out of competition tests, so it's not that cycling does so much better. And another proof doping tests are useless.... guy "caught red handed" was tested 2 days before he got caught... negative, same as his partner in sprint relay (the other Austrian that got caught), so I guess they waren't doped
A friend who is a professional athlete and Olympic hopeful for 2020, has been selected by (think it was WADA) this year for testing - he was telling me he is required to checkin his location to an app each evening so they know where he is spending the night. They then randomly show up for testing late evening/early morning. If he is not there on 3 occasions it is a "disqualification" and from our last talk he has already been tested twice this year.
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Many people assume cycling is worse, simply because it is worse.
Is it though - or are they only ones looking
Based on numbers.... they are not really looking that much in cycling These are data for 2017:
Cycling: 23575 tests - 280 positive - 1.2% of tests were positive
Athletics: 31483 tests - 295 positive - 0.9% of tests were positive
Football: 37118 tests - 167 positive - 0.4% of tests were positive
Skiing: 10104 tests - 16 positive - 0.2% of tests were positive
Of course you can't really look just at numbers of tests, as there's way more people playing football then doing athletics, there's less people cycling and even less skiing, but percentage of positive tests out of all tests is sort of mark how "dirty" sport is.
Also number of blood tests in cycling is not higher but rather smalle compared to number of urine tests, when comparing cycling to other endurance sports:
Road cycling: 13000 urine tests (in and out of competition test) - 1752 blood tests - 13%
XC skiing: 2537 urine tests (in and out of competition test) - 434 blood tests - 17%
Athletics (3000+ meters): 8867 urine tests (in and out of competition test) - 909 blood tests - 10%
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As a comparison, rugby union in England published its report into the 2016/17 season in February last year ( here - next report is due very soon). There is no statement of the breakdown between the men's and women's game, but I would expect maybe 95% of the tests to be on men.
International players were tested on 156 occasions, 140 of those by World Rugby and 4 by the Six Nations, with only 12 by the RFU.
Premiership players were tested on 229 occasions, 24 by EPCR in European competitions.
Championship players were tested on 130 occasions, all by the RFU
Junior Academy (aged 17-18 ) players were tested on 108 occasions, all by the RFU.
Of all of these, 537 were urine tests, and 86 were blood tests. There were no doping violations detected. A separate programme to detect illicit drugs reported one detection for cocaine from 302 samples taken in the "professional" game. The Rugby Players Association claims to represent over 800 current male and female professional rugby players, but with 12 clubs in the Premiership with an average squad size of 50 plus an academy of around 20 players per club that's about 600 senior players and 240 academy players, plus maybe another 30 per Championship club for a total of 1200 male players. The chances of being tested are about 1 in 3 over the course of the season, or 2-3 times per season for international players.
At the community rugby level, which includes everything from the national leagues downwards and includes schools, universities, etc (and so still includes some players who get paid and who can be full-time professional rugby players), there were 119 samples collected of which 94 were at National League 1 level. There were 4 doping violations detected. The RFU is reported to have over 1.1 million registered players, though of course many of these will be in the mini and juniors teams, so let's say that there are 50000 adult players in England. For those outside of National League 1, the chances of being tested are about 1 in 2000. That's not good enough, and it means that at the lower levels doping is likely to be endemic either through a conscious choice, or from ignorance of the true contents of supplements. Is every player doping? No. Is there at least one senior player per club who is? Almost certainly.
The RFU report also makes it clear that doping is a serious concern in schools, where research has reported that "Nutritional supplement use is prevalent among English schoolboys" and "A degree of willingness to try a ‘risky’ substance was also noted". That's the future right there - it has to improve, and if the RFU thinks it is doing enough then it is wrong.
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