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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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The Savor business model is an interesting one. Are there THAT many people who don't want to bother with carving, but just want to pootle about doing pivot turns, and be able to carry their skis easily because they're light? It will be interesting to see how ski schools/instructors cope with people on that sort of equipment.
That video, by the way, is all about skis. You get a better idea of what the boot looks like from this: https://www.amersports.com/2019/01/skiing-made-easy-with-atomic-savor/
Not sure that the integrated helmet/goggle is as ground-breaking as they make out!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Hmm - boots that are optimised for comfort as happy feet make better skiing. I call BS on that - my trainers are orders of magnitude more comfortable than any ski boot I've ever had but would be functionally useless for skiing.
It's not a bad idea as a concept and deserves to be given a chance but it feels like an all-in offering bundled with lessons and something you graduate from rather than a major shake up of retail. Who wants to buy the "beginner special kit".
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The second article is interesting though, suggesting they have done their research and feedback is positive.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Dave of the Marmottes,
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an all-in offering bundled with lessons
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That's a thought.
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Who wants to buy the "beginner special kit"
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Well, I suppose most people don't start on high end skis. But that's a bit different from buying skis on which, if I understand this correctly, you simply can't carve at all.
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So what exactly is new?
Kit aimed at beginners and intermediates? I am quite sure that's been done before.
Rear entry boots? Have they changed the laws of physics? Don't look revolutionary to me...
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@Dave of the Marmottes,
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an all-in offering bundled with lessons
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That's a thought.
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Who wants to buy the "beginner special kit"
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Well, I suppose most people don't start on high end skis. But that's a bit different from buying skis on which, if I understand this correctly, you simply can't carve at all. |
No sure that is what is said - from the link.....
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| In a nutshell, the Savor skis are very user-friendly on-piste skis. They are light, and thus power-saving. A moderate sidecut in the tip and tail makes turn initiation effortless. A little bit more sidecut in the middle section ensures that skiers can carve when they want to. The grip on icy slopes is as good as in racing skis. As an extra feature, the skis have a particular grip zone that makes carrying them easier. |
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@t4tomo,
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A little bit more sidecut in the middle section ensures that skiers can carve when they want to.
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Ah, I missed that bit, it wasn't so clear from the interview, or maybe I just wasn't concentrating.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
@Dave of the Marmottes,
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an all-in offering bundled with lessons
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That's a thought.
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Who wants to buy the "beginner special kit"
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Well, I suppose most people don't start on high end skis. But that's a bit different from buying skis on which, if I understand this correctly, you simply can't carve at all. |
No sure that is what is said - from the link.....
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| In a nutshell, the Savor skis are very user-friendly on-piste skis. They are light, and thus power-saving. A moderate sidecut in the tip and tail makes turn initiation effortless. A little bit more sidecut in the middle section ensures that skiers can carve when they want to. The grip on icy slopes is as good as in racing skis. As an extra feature, the skis have a particular grip zone that makes carrying them easier. |
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Some of the claims do seem a tad hyperbolic - Grip as good as race skis? Hmm , given that these are specifically designed to be light and flimsy for useability how do they equal the grip offerred by the I Beam that is the FIS SL ski?
I believe there is probably a core truth somewhere in here that for a lot of leisure skiers (people who ski rather than skiers) then they probably are on overengineered kit which is capable of way more than they ever demand of it. But the corollary is that that if this is truly a radical departure then performance will fall off a cliff once skills get past a certain level. Either that or the whole thing is really emperor's new clothes.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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So what exactly is new?
Rear entry boots? Have they changed the laws of physics? Don't look revolutionary to me... |
It's "Back to the Future".
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
Hmm - boots that are optimised for comfort as happy feet make better skiing. I call BS on that - my trainers are orders of magnitude more comfortable than any ski boot I've ever had but would be functionally useless for skiing.
It's not a bad idea as a concept and deserves to be given a chance but it feels like an all-in offering bundled with lessons and something you graduate from rather than a major shake up of retail. Who wants to buy the "beginner special kit". |
I get where you are coming from, but I am desperately looking for a boot that I can where comfortable when pootling around with a 5, 7 and 8 year old. One that doesn't leave me aching and constantly adjusting. My old Raichle Rear Entries were fab compared to my Head Advant. Yes on steeper pistes and going faster Head Advant are better, but having some comfy boots for the less technical parts woudl be great.
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Looking at @Hurtle's link, there doesn't seem to be very much ski behind the binding 
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You know it makes sense.
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My BS alarm is going off!
@FrediKanoute, you can have decently performing boots that are comfy. If you haven’t found some that work for you, keep looking. Thousands of ski instructors and trainers have boots that are comfy all day but still give them the required support when they want to ski. If you really can’t get boots to do both roles, get 2 pairs.
Beginners and intermediates don't have the technique to carve so the bit about the “magic” skis is also nonsense.
It is all marketing guff by Atomic, makers of some of the best kit money can buy.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Sounds to me like an awful load of waffle....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
It is all marketing guff by Atomic, makers of some of the best kit money can buy. |
To me it smacks of Ski Evolutif...ie.....Let's re-invent something that sort of bypasses the difficult bit.
I can remember Ali Ross saying that The Snowplough was a necessary step in working towards the parallel turn, as the lower leg was the same through both types of turn. The Parallel turn could be hard to grasp on long, old school skis and was often badly taught, so going directly to it, seemed tempting.....except that a snowlpough is necessary for getting around the mountain and Evolutif was inclined to ingrain bad habits (like sitting back and twisting your feet).
I suspect that this kit will just enable Intermediates to remain on the plateau even longer.....but hey, it's about enjoyment, so there will be those who welcome it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Those boots are Nordica NS720’s, Nordica must be firing up the copyright lawyers!
The variable sidecut isn’t really new either as Scott have been doing it brilliantly and to great effect for years.
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What I wrote, under the name my parents gave me, back on 7 January 2008 ...
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| The Salomon SX91 was the finest piece of ski boot design ever conceived. People bought it and its derivatives because it worked brilliantly. It was sold by word of mouth and the personal experiences of boot fitters in ski shops. |
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=34222#815481
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Bearing in mind that the key patents are now 30 years old ... one would expect much more than a rearguard action ... from rear-entry. It should be the mainstream again, in the interests of skier comfort/ergonomics/enjoyment.
[end of rant]
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Wonder if there is anything in it being done by Amer under the Atomic name rather than Salomon. Atomic more "prestigious" association with racing etc in the mind of the Chinese owners. Is this really a play to get China skiing?
Or is Salomon sufficeintly tainted by the BBR hoopla/fail that bringing a bit of Gallic eccentricity/creativity/flair back under that brand is a risky proposition?
Or Nuffuink of course. You've have thought Solly could just hand the SX moulds to Atomic in the first place - Ooh one snag can't remember SX boots meeting the "light" bit of the brief.
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having gone through 5 pairs of ski boots during my career, the most comfortablist by far were my raichle rear entry boots,"1986 - 1990" i only changed them because the man in the ski hire shop laughed at me.
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| compostcorner wrote: |
| having gone through 5 pairs of ski boots during my career, the most comfortablist by far were my raichle rear entry boots,"1986 - 1990" i only changed them because the man in the ski hire shop laughed at me. |
Whereas I bought a pair of Raichle front entry boots for my second ski holiday in 1989 because they were about the only ones available. On my first ski holiday they gave me 3 different rear entry boots from the hire shop before finding some front entries in the back that I could wear for more than half a day!
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