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Just back from Profeet and didn't get quite what I expected.
For anyone that's not been there, one of their main tools is a pressure sensitive pad. Hooked up to a computer this displays the weight distribution on your feet. The aim is, I believe, to get get even pressure across both feet , foe aft and transvers.
The boot selection went OK until I stood back on the pressure pad, at this point the adjustments needed are usually quite small, not so in my case.
My weight distribution just didn't want to shift, virtually all the weight was on my right foot. The only thing that came close to evening things out was lifting the right foot 10mm.
At this point they bailed and referred me on to Putney Chiropractic Centre to get a more specialist analysis of my alignment/skeleton, x-rays were mentioned.
Does anyone have any experience of Putney Chiropractic?
Are there other specialists people would recommend.
Is this going to make me very poor.
Didn't expect to be sitting here with a brand new pair of boots, a trip lined up for next weekend and feeling down 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Skiing is a bit more dynamic than that... if you couldn't weight your left side skiing you'd never turn so its only a question of balancing your weight.
Not sure they will re-align you without remedial work so go skiing first and spend the summer exploring this. I can't see them making any difference in less than quite a few weeks, so save the money, ski and get back to them
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rich, I think Putney chiropractic work with the Warren Smith Ski Academy so should be familiar with skiing problems.
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JT, not expecting a quick or necessarily complete fix but identifying the problem would be a good start point.
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rich, A surprising number of people have similar problems - I don't know how major/minor as I don't put people on a pressure pad (obviously 0 too big to carry around), but I usually find it's something that's happened in the past that's caused them to favour one leg and the habit has just grown to the point where it can cause a problem. I suggest that in the meantime you practise standing on your left leg at every opportunity, making sure you change the leg you start upstairs on (you probably lift your left leg??) and also look at yourself in the mirror to see if you're twisted round at all.
After that get yourself checked out as per advice - if Profeet recommend them, I'm sure they're OK, but you might also find someone nearer to home. Good luck. 
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rich,
there could be many reasons for the reading that you see on the pressure mat, the leg could be physically longer than the other, the pelvis could be rotated which gives the impression of a longer leg, or evem simpler it could be that you just have a bias on the way you stand.
as for chiropractors Putney are good, but if you are looking for someone nearer home then look for a british school of chiropractic registered chiropractor, i could suggest someone in Bath, but that is as far the other way. (PM me if you require his details)
so when you find out what is going on, how do you solve it: well if it is the pelvis then the chiro will help you to re align it and give exersises to strengthen the muscles to keep it stable, if it is a leg that is physically longer then it will depend on the difference as to what is done, the following is very important.
unless you had an injury in the past year that has caused this difference (ie broken femur etc) then your body has been compensating for a long time, if this is the case then you should only ever have the boot or shoe built up by a maximum of 50% of the difference. if this is more than about 9mm then you need to make the build up the full lenght of the foot ie 12mm under the heel 6mm under the ball of the foot and 0mm at the toes. without doing this you risk tightening the calf muscles and making things even more uncomfortable. whatever needs to be done with a build up it is not difficult to do (something i do on an almost weekly basis)
The other thing that you need to consider is that skiing is a dynamic sport on a constantly changing surface, so a difference of say 6mm will make very little difference to your skiing but can show up as a dramatic result on a pressure mat.
I hope this helps a little
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GrahamN, 3", and he's never had any corrective anything AFAIK!
CEM, Really good advice - too mnay people rush to get completely re-aligned these days and end up with more problems than they started with!
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easiski,
we aim to please
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my husband had one leg longer than the other and had been aligned, wedges under skis etc at one point. but he saw Martin Jeffries at Suppleworx and after a few sessions of manipulation and being given the right exercises to do, it was far better. It is not usually an actual difference in bone length, for most of us, but deep seated pelvic twisting and habits of movement, as easiski says. He has always had problems getting weight completely shifted but easiski's exercises helped a lot. To keep the improvement which Martin made he really should do a lot of hip and leg stretching, with emphasis on the piriformis muscle. He's not that good at doing the stretches every day (like all of us) but he now has the solution in his own hands and is definitely improving. his new boots and skis are off the shelf - which has the advantage of not having remember which is the left ski!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You could try finding a piste that only requires left turns. I know one old lady that plans her car journeys using only left turns.
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You know it makes sense.
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Cheers for all the good advice.
Ive made an appointment at Putney.. I'll see what they have to say.
As has been said I've managed OK for quite a long time with this body and don't end up falling off the left side of the piste all the time so.
On the plus side, new boots are very nice, been clomping round for 2 evenings, proper test this weekend in Flims 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Leg lenght does it matter? is it true leg lenght or just looks like it. could it be a curve of the spine.
As you are going to see a chiropractor your pelvis will be out of Alignment.
X ray: even the chiropractor institue say they are not valid. If he/she can not measure your leg lenght without an x ray go some where that can.
If you pelvis is out after he has put it back stand on 2 scales and check your weigh distribution.
hope all works out for you
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Poster: A snowHead
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david 1664,
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If you pelvis is out after he has put it back stand on 2 scales and check your weigh distribution.
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interesting thought, but it is very easy to shift weight between your feet whilst standing in a so called balanced position, this is my main issue with the pressure plates that a few places are using and the key reason why i have not put one into my practice.
measuring leg length with an x ray is also subjective, an x-ray is a shadow so there will always be some distortion in the picture, in the states they used to take a series of x rays at specific distances down the leg with a tape measure attached to the table, they then overlayed the images to get an indication of the leg length. the main problem with this technique is the amount of radiation required to do it  , and i believe there is an ethical arument in the uk that says you use have clinical reason to use an x ray, seeing if you have a broken leg is clinical reason, seeing if one leg is longer than the other (unless it is causing other problems ) is not.
the point about, if you are seeing a chiropractor your pelvis is out of alignment....this sounds like all chiropractors will find a problem in this area, many will and normally with good reason, i would think that over 50% of the people i see with foot pain could do with seeing a chiropractor to get 'straightened out'
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have some doubts about the service I got a Profeet basically because the guy did just appear to give up and walk away when his next appointment time was due.
Also I have used them before. Between the two visits I haven't sustained any injury. The first time the canting was put on its maximum limit plus additional packing on one boot to get a bit more (no trouble getting weight on both feet that time), this time I was told that the canting didn't need adjusting from nominal because the pressure across each foot was even although the load on each was different, how he could work this out I'm not sure as there wasn't enough of a reading from the left foot to see anything.
Anyway I've done some homebrewed checks ended with pretty much the same arrangement I had with the old boots, I'll try both set ups this weekend.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Rich
Your based in reading. Look for a physiotherapist with mmacp afterhis/her name. you should get a good examination and send you in the right direction. Wendy Davis (Green) had a clinic at a sports centre in Caversham. Wendy has worked with many GB teams including rowing, judo. sorry no contact no.
In Henley Avtive 8 are meant to be good.
hope this helps
David
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rich,
there could be differences in the cant set up as you are in two different boots each boot is different in its intial set up the cuff angles vary slightly in each make/ model but more importantly the base board of the boot can have an angle which can vary from 2degrees tipped inwards to 3 degrees outwards, this has the effect of changing the relationship between the foot and the ankle and therefore the lower leg, as for walking away when the next appointment was due that says to me that they do not allow enough time for each client. if there are issues when you ski with the setup then i would take them up on their free follow up appointment to get the alignment set up, after all they advertise alignment as standard!
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rich,
I've been to the SAME consultant twice with a gap of about 10 weeks between apponitments.... one with NHS and one private and HE diagnosed two different things wrong with my back....!!! So I can understand if you aren't too impressed.
It took me ages to find a physio who understood what was wrong and she set me on a better path with a few monthly check-ups and exercises between. So, for me, there are experts and EXPERTS and you keep looking until you find someone you trust and can work with...
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JT,
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there are experts and EXPERTS and you keep looking until you find someone you trust and can work with...
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so true
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CEM, I guess Profeet have a system they work to pretty rigidly, which is fine if everything follows the rules, when something doesn't react the "right" way to their efforts they seem a bit lost, not helped by the time constraints.
I'll try skiing with their zero cant setup but I don't hold out much hope, it'll put me too much on the inside edges.
My version is 3/4 cant on LHS and full RHS + foam packer. We'll see who wins out
Also went to Putney Chiropractic. Feel a lot better about things. No great revelations or course of heavy corrective work and it seems my legs are the same length within reasonable limits. Just got an imbalance which favours the right hand side. They just recommended exercises and stretches with the odd manipulation session.
Suits me fine.
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Hi Rich,
I smashed my femur many years ago, apparently one of my legs is longer than the other, tbh, I've never packed out any ski boot/binding/shoe etc.
Link to piccie here : http://www.gregh.co.uk/jpegs/broken.jpg
CEM is being very modest, you could do worse than go and see him IMHO, if you still think you have an issue.
regards,
Greg
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gregh, that hurts 
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Hi Rich,
It did at the time, all that's left now is a few scars (one fairly long) and a distant memory 
Regards,
Greg
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I have one leg 2cm shorter than the other. I have adapted to it without any equipment alterations. After reading this thread, I would like to try packing under the footbed of one boot to see if it makes any difference when I am actually skiing. What is used to pack under the sole?
Mick
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