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I rather like L2A, as for the glacier only being suitable for early intermediates, ask the national teams who were skiing there last summer ; )
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| JamesHJ wrote: |
| I rather like L2A, as for the glacier only being suitable for early intermediates, ask the national teams who were skiing there last summer ; ) |
Unless they want to ski on rocks they don't have much choice though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Claude B wrote: |
| Back to the original topic. Very generous compensation IMO, free skiing today and full refund for those with passes. Big queues at ticket office when I passed about 45 mins ago. |
I would hardly say that giving people money back for something they didn't receive is very generous compensation.
For many of the people who couldn't ride that day, it will be their only trip of the year so they lost time on the snow that they will not get back. Compare what they got back to the total price they have paid for their holiday and to lose 1 6th of the precious time, it's nothing.
As said above, it will definitely be off my places to go in future for risk of it happening again.
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I think you'll find that according to most resorts t&c's any lift open for any amount of time equals zilch. 3 hours free skiing or a refund is reasonable imo. I've been at Tignes with one lift/run open and got nothing.
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| davidof wrote: |
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| I rather like L2A, as for the glacier only being suitable for early intermediates, ask the national teams who were skiing there last summer ; ) |
Unless they want to ski on rocks they don't have much choice though. |
lol- I suppose the point is that skiing is what you make of it! 
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Anyway whilst most of you laptop warriors are banging away on the same theme tomorrow I'll be having my 45th day skiing this winter, probably only about the half way point, enjoy 
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| Claude B wrote: |
| I think you'll find that according to most resorts t&c's any lift open for any amount of time equals zilch. 3 hours free skiing or a refund is reasonable imo. I've been at Tignes with one lift/run open and got nothing. |
Exactly......more reason to avoid the place, oh and what with you spending so much time on the mountain there may also be the unfortunate chance of bumping in to you. Muppet.
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@buchanan101,
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Popular in numbers or from a survey - because a lot claim the latter of course
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2.5m visitors a year for La Plagne...highest number for one resort in the world
Source:http://www.vanat.ch/RM-world-report-2015.pdf
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Surely the best places to ski are not too crowded
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| if the French don't like something by God they act upon it, |
Different approach to protest I think. The French consider it's their country and that they have an absolute right to express their views. The English (much more than the Welsh and Scottish) seem to have a sense of deference which plays into the hands of the government, who take a superior position and assert the view that protest is wrong I.e. the French are actually all in it together whereas we aren't.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Claude B wrote: |
| Anyway whilst most of you laptop warriors are banging away on the same theme tomorrow I'll be having my 45th day skiing this winter, probably only about the half way point, enjoy |
Slacker.
Anyway the point is they've hardly curried favour with the family hol crowds losing 1 out of their precious 6 days skiing this year. Giving a refund when its your own failure to manage your own staff that has caused the problem is hardly generous it's the minimum, giving a coupon for a discount on a pass for your next visit as well would be better PR.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Gyro, and all the other Les Deux Alpes knockers it might be worth factoring into your calculations that the lifts in La Plagne, Les Arcs and loads of other resorts are operated by the same company Compagnie des Alpes, that operates those in Les Deux Alpes. I guess it's quite a common tactic by big companies that want to introduce new working practices, reduce manning, to start in one, perhaps less important branch, and "test the water". Looks like they failed this time but maybe next time they will go for the biggy and try and slash a bit in La Plagne, who knows.
A few odd days a year in Les Deux Alpes is fine for me, I spend weeks in Alpe d'Huez, have done for years. Each to his own and like @Claude B, says, they are very complimentary. (Lifts in Alpe d'Huez are still owned 51% by the town I believe, but that has it's own problems).
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@skitow, I don't think that's what was going on here. I haven't seen (which isn't saying much having read only one newspaper's report)anything about a reduction in staff, but that the syndic were asking for additional staff. There may have been an alteration in overtime rules. And the syndic decided that the "agreed" wages hadn't been increased enough at the start of the season.
It being France, had this been an effort by CdA to begin to bring in new working practices, I'd have expected La Plagne, Les Arcs, Chamonix, Avoriaz, et al. to all have come out very much in sympathy and it wouldn't have been agreed in a day.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@skitow,
I'm not knocking LDA, I'm knocking the people who run it from top management to lift loaders to the restaurant staff etc. they just seem to be so bad.
We stopped going to France a few years ago after a trip to La Plagne. We came home and thought, why do we go there. every year it was the same old, we have your money and now couldn't care less attitude from the staff.
So we stopped spending our money there and now spend it in the states or elsewhere in Europe.
This strike just re enforces that.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@under a new name, Fair comment, I had not really read about the details of the dispute to be honest. Personally I don't like the idea of one large company operating a lot of these things. I am sure there are benefits in economy of scale etc. but it does give them ability to manipulate for their own benefit. Having said that some of the ideas the local council in Alpe d'Huez come up with are not always the best, but that's not exclusively a french problem is it ? 
I was in a, very, small, french, ski station on Tuesday where one young female liftie was operating 2 drag lifts about 100m apart, uphill. Stayed most of the time on the blue run one helping the kids etc. if there was a fault on the one serving the red and black she skied down fixed it and then took the drag part way back up to the small one. That was when it was quiet, yes quite on a Half term Tusday  when it was busy the other liftie who was doing repairs and maintenance, came and helped. Compagnie des Alpes probably dream about operating like that
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| Claude B wrote: |
| Anyway whilst most of you laptop warriors are banging away on the same theme tomorrow I'll be having my 45th day skiing this winter, probably only about the half way point, enjoy |
You are more than welcome. I found the thought of a second week's skiing too much and pulled out after just one week. Once upon a time I would have loved a season's skiing. These days I have found other things to do with my time.
Resort workers who go on strike are striving for their own long-term unemployment, in my view.
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@Gyro, That's a fair comment too. The us (locals) and them ( visitors) attitude can develop anywhere and spending your hard earned cash where you get the best for you I would not disagree with. I cannot fault the lift staff here, Alpe d'Huez, they are always ready to answer your questions and really sometimes go well beyond what they have to do to help the kids on draglifts. The other night, at the the night skiing session there was a young lad who just could not hang on to the button, the liftie tried 3 times but by then there was a queue so he opened up the parallel, but slightly slower drag, and put him on that. To an extent I can understand them getting a bit cynical, they put 2 sessions a week on of night skiing on the slopes in the centre of town, OK the ESF do a lot of practice on one, but the other is a steep blue, would probably be red in some places, and is great to practice on, great views of the setting sun at the top, and a restaurant there. In the day there are queues everywhere, there are probably close to 35,000 visitors in the resort, how many are on the night skiing slopes, which is free with your lift pass, about 20. Gives you a great opportunity to ski at some ridiculous speed though
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@Tris,
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buchanan101 wrote:
Have you a link for ski resort rankings?
Having posted that link earlier in this thread, I feel I've taken it a bit off original topic.
Maybe the Vanat annual report warrants a dedicated thread? I suspect it would stir strong opinions from the snowHead community.
It looks fascinating reading, for after all the snow has melted!
Page 13 here:
http://www.vanat.ch/RM-world-report-2015.pdf
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| billb wrote: |
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| if the French don't like something by God they act upon it, |
Different approach to protest I think. The French consider it's their country and that they have an absolute right to express their views. The English (much more than the Welsh and Scottish) seem to have a sense of deference which plays into the hands of the government, who take a superior position and assert the view that protest is wrong I.e. the French are actually all in it together whereas we aren't. |
I guess when you've chopped the heads off all your leaders once, there is less inhibition to protest the next time
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I guess when you've chopped the heads off all your leaders once, there is less inhibition to protest the next time
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hahahahah
yep
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Orange200 wrote: |
| I guess when you've chopped the heads off all your leaders once, there is less inhibition to protest the next time |
The English chopped a head off too.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| billb wrote: |
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| if the French don't like something by God they act upon it, |
Different approach to protest I think. The French consider it's their country and that they have an absolute right to express their views. The English (much more than the Welsh and Scottish) seem to have a sense of deference which plays into the hands of the government, who take a superior position and assert the view that protest is wrong I.e. the French are actually all in it together whereas we aren't. |
I think you have a highly romantic vision of France which isn't born out by reality.
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Yet another reason to go skiing in Italy, Austria, etc... Every year French ski market share goes down and they respond by arrests, strikes and bans... Take your business to where you are welcomed and aren't at constant risk of having your holiday disrupted.
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You know it makes sense.
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| davidof wrote: |
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One thing LDA is good at, the rudest lift staff in France.! |
I doubt Lizzard managed to pull off a strike singlehandedly?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| davidof wrote: |
I think you have a highly romantic vision of France which isn't born out by reality. |
Really? Then what is the reality?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I might be wrong but has Tignes / Val d'Isere got some half and half arrangement where the lifts are operated by a company and the pisteurs are employed by the town. I don't know if that is relevant here but I am sure I remember reading something like that.
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