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Define “Smart/ Casual” in a Ski Hotel

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I have just grabbed a hoodie to wear hanging up in my wadrobe. I counted 12 items of mine including suit, dinner jacket and ski jacket.

I counted my wife's (not wives). There were 171 items hanging up, mainly dresses.

When my daughter was 4, I counted 74 dresses in her wardrobe. She didn't even like wearing dresses.

I think 12 items is far too many for any man.

I must have a clear out.
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@cameronphillips2000, hmm, but do you have 50 t-shirts in a drawer in your bedroom? I have less in drawers as I have more that needs to hang up. T-shirts can be folded.
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Hoodie hung up? I have a fleece trunk.
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@cameronphillips2000, I'm 69 and have probably had fewer than 74 dresses in my entire life. Laughing
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@cameronphillips2000, wow, jealous of your 4-year-old's wardrobe space! As we live somewhere that has proper seasons, my husband and I have to pack/unpack clothes at the end of each season and would love to have the space to avoid that tedious task.

74 dresses hanging in the wardrobe of a 4-year-old who doesn't even like wearing them... that's slightly insane Laughing
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cameronphillips2000 wrote:
I have just grabbed a hoodie to wear hanging up in my wadrobe. I counted 12 items of mine including suit, dinner jacket and ski jacket.

I counted my wife's (not wives). There were 171 items hanging up, mainly dresses.

When my daughter was 4, I counted 74 dresses in her wardrobe. She didn't even like wearing dresses.

I think 12 items is far too many for any man.

I must have a clear out.

I'd start with the Wife!
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@cameronphillips2000, I'm 69 and have probably had fewer than 74 dresses in my entire life. Laughing
+1 !
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Great thread

I need advice. When is it OK to appear for breakfast in your thermal underwear.

Would the color of the thermals matter.

What if you were a couple with three kids under 8
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I've been ignoring this thread but its much more fun than I expected.

I'm completely on board with smart casual in a ski hotel meaning not turning up in your ski wear for dinner. TBH I'd probably wear a shirt / polo shirt or thin sweater and long trousers (quite possibly jeans) but I wouldn't think people were out of place in a t-shirt.

I work in a city type job so wear a suit/shirt and smart shoes Monday to Thursday. I won't necessarily wear a tie unless I'm meeting clients or company management (I meet CEOs and CFOs of our potential investments quite often). Friday is dress down for which our constraints are no trainers/jeans/shorts/ t shirts. Unless I'm meeting clients or company management when I'm formal again.
Personally I don't mind putting a suit on - there is a reason that suits have endured, they are carefully engineered to make men look good Very Happy Obviously I look fabulous in a paper sack but still Very Happy Very Happy Many people hate wearing ties but they don't bother me really - if your collar fits well a tie doesn't need to grip your neck! And they do balance out the lapel and collar. The other thing I quite like about being smart for work is changing from work to leisure at the end of the day.
In terms of etiquette, I think it is polite to "mirror". You see this naturally with body language of course but it applies to dressing. If a CEO is spending a day meeting investors he/she will be suited. It is just good manners to show them the same courtesy in response. Pre-financial crisis when the hedge funds were in their self-satisfied pomp I use to turn up at group meetings (several investors meeting a CEO) to find some of my peers/competitors would be in scruffy jeans and trainers. I regarded it as trying hard to be "too cool for school" - really rather laughable - and I still have that prejudice when I see people being ostentatiously underdressed in a business context. People who wear hoodies to a business meeting are making a statement but I just think its quite a shallow one.
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They are basically saying have a shower/bath and change for dinner.


Yup - have a shower, get changed out of ski wear and don't wear your thermals without some sort of covering in the public areas.

No one wants to look at your camel toe / moose knuckle! rolling eyes
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@TQA,
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I need advice. When is it OK to appear for breakfast in your thermal underwear.
When you live alone on benefits and the parole officer doesn't turn up until after lunch. Only acceptable colour is grey, although a degree of 'social staining' is acceptable.


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@jedster,
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I've been ignoring this thread but its much more fun than I expected.

I'm completely on board with smart casual in a ski hotel meaning not turning up in your ski wear for dinner. TBH I'd probably wear a shirt / polo shirt or thin sweater and long trousers (quite possibly jeans) but I wouldn't think people were out of place in a t-shirt.

I work in a city type job so wear a suit/shirt and smart shoes Monday to Thursday. I won't necessarily wear a tie unless I'm meeting clients or company management (I meet CEOs and CFOs of our potential investments quite often). Friday is dress down for which our constraints are no trainers/jeans/shorts/ t shirts. Unless I'm meeting clients or company management when I'm formal again.
Personally I don't mind putting a suit on - there is a reason that suits have endured, they are carefully engineered to make men look good Obviously I look fabulous in a paper sack but still Many people hate wearing ties but they don't bother me really - if your collar fits well a tie doesn't need to grip your neck! And they do balance out the lapel and collar. The other thing I quite like about being smart for work is changing from work to leisure at the end of the day.
In terms of etiquette, I think it is polite to "mirror". You see this naturally with body language of course but it applies to dressing. If a CEO is spending a day meeting investors he/she will be suited. It is just good manners to show them the same courtesy in response. Pre-financial crisis when the hedge funds were in their self-satisfied pomp I use to turn up at group meetings (several investors meeting a CEO) to find some of my peers/competitors would be in scruffy jeans and trainers. I regarded it as trying hard to be "too cool for school" - really rather laughable - and I still have that prejudice when I see people being ostentatiously underdressed in a business context. People who wear hoodies to a business meeting are making a statement but I just think its quite a shallow one.


I agree with 99% of that. I don't get the idea of 'I've paid to stay in this hotel so therefore I have the right to dress how I like". I think it is generally good manners to mirror/conform with how others are dressed and also how the hotel owners would like you to dress. That's not to say that I don't equally dislike it when a downmarket establishment has firm rules they try and enforce just in an effort to move their business upmarket.

The only area I might disagree with you is that I can't really think of T-shirts as anyweher close to 'smart casual for a man. Polo shirts are perfect for hot evenings in a summer setting but I'm not sure they are right in this scenario. Clean jeans are fine.
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So this entire thread is about whether people are conformists or not essentially. No surprise conformists like to conform and attach significance to minor details. I suspect that they might also be slightly more externally motivated by social status, the importance of mixing with the right people and getting ahead.

Then there are non-conformists who don't really believe in uniforms and deliberately or simply through not really caring break some of the "rules".

I know people who take great care to ensure their little kids don't look "chav" at any time. Seems rather pointless to get them dressed up in nice clothes rather than trackie bottoms to roll around in mud at the local playground though.
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Then there are non-conformists who don't really believe in uniforms and deliberately or simply through not really caring break some of the "rules".


there are also non-conformists who are just a bit childish about making a non-conformist statement by how they dress. often it is just easier to throw on a suit so its dressing differently that is more motivated by putting on a display
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Oh yes there are definitely peacocking non conformists too. You can spot them because rather than wearing the raspberry cords and cravat to breakfast they eschew the thermals in favour of a mankini.
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Oh yes there are definitely peacocking non conformists too. You can spot them because rather than wearing the raspberry cords and cravat to breakfast they eschew the thermals in favour of a mankini


Very Happy

related topic - I always wear ski gear to breakfast. In a hotel that would mean ski/shell pants rather than just thermals. Does anyone really bother getting dressed twice before they go skiing?
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Does anyone really bother getting dressed twice before they go skiing?



Nope. But either put on your shell trousers over thermal bottoms, or chuck a pair of 'modesty shorts' over thermals. Moose knuckle / camel toe has no place at breakfast.
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kat.ryb wrote:
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Does anyone really bother getting dressed twice before they go skiing?



Nope. But either put on your shell trousers over thermal bottoms, or chuck a pair of 'modesty shorts' over thermals. Moose knuckle / camel toe has no place at breakfast.
Hear hear!
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