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| lo-ridah wrote: |
Oh one skiier gripe please dont crowd around the brow of a hill so I am forced to unclip and walk through a group of you chatting!
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and unless you want beginner boarders knocking you over, i suggest getting well clear of the chair lift exits before reading your piste map or doing your bindings up 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| slikedges wrote: |
| But aren't the skiers virtually on one of their edges only anyway? |
Only the few that worship at the foot of Harald...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rob@rar.org.uk, eng_ch, Wear The Fox Hat, we've been through this lots of times already. If you remember I tried to compile a list of benefits of 2 rather than 1. No? Well, probably understandably too painful a thread to remember. Anyway, IIRC Martin Bell was one of the guys, along with Easiski, saying that on ice you'd largely be on one ski only anyway. Having the inside pressured to unestablished degrees as a safety reserve was on the list somewhere, but I think the consensus was that at least on ice, you needed as much weight on the outside as possible without compromising the inside.
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Everyone seems to miss the obvious.
Snowboarders have a single edge, on either side of their board and their legs are strapped sideways. This leaves ONLY one single edge with which to turn, CARVE and stop.
Skiers have two edges at any one time with which to turn, CARVE or stop.
By mere definition and fact, snow boarding lacks the carving and stopping ability of skis.
I have been skiing for the past 40 years. My son who is almost 7 is a black diamond skier. In all my years in the sport I have NEVER been run into or hit by another skier. I have however, been run over and hit by snowboarders 4 times and my son twice. They are just incapable of stopping or turning in a short distance.
I am 6 foot tall and 230 lbs, and so have little fear of being hit, however, my young son is another matter. I find myself running blocking position for him to make sure no boarders run into him.
Boarders, like skiers, like speed. This is understandable. What is not, however, is boarding or skiing out of control. I have had to resort to videoing the bad apples and turning them in to have their tickets/passes revoked. I have seen too many boarders out of control endangering the life and limb of younger children on the slopes. The tragedy is my son loves the features of the board parks and taking him there is just an act of chasing and blocking for him to ensure no one runs over him. Fun factor for dad = zero.
Skiing was and remains an expensive sport to enter, more so than boarding. On average it is twice the expense to own similar gear. Boarding opened the enjoyment of the mountain to the masses. This was a wonderful thing for the sport and for all who enjoy it. Unfortunately, what most refuse to admit is the masses, for all intents and purposes, are less educated and less self controlled. Don't get me wrong, there remain those of good character. Case in point: I was walking through the parking lot of a popular resort with my son. We passed four or five groups of boarders eating lunch or taking a break at their cars. The filth that came out of these teenaged and young adult mouths would raise the hair on your back. Out of about 20 people, one, ONLY one, had the decency to ask his friends to watch their language because he noticed my son (a child) present. I know that speaks more toward where our society is, but I also noticed (relevant to this thread) that all were boarder. But I digress. What we are really talking about is safety.
Argue all you will, the fact remains the distance it takes a boarder to stop or carve a turn will be much greater than that of a skier. Hence, the inherent danger. I cannot hide from the mere economics of it. Boarders outnumber skiers by a factor of 5 or more. I for one like that there are mountains that ban boarders. I know you cannot have all resorts like that, but I hope Alta and Deer Valley remain that way. I also wish there would be a way to enforce piste safety.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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It always takes a newbie to dig up an 8 year old thread!
But welcome to snowhead. 
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abc, even if he is talking tripe.
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| laundryman wrote: |
| David Goldsmith wrote: |
| though it might be illegal in Europe to do so, under anti-discimination legislation. |
Surely not! If I own a field, presumably I have the right to hire it out to footballers, but ban rugby on the grounds (!) (if I needed any) that the field would get too cut up. |
True point. In Ireland, many sports fields are used for Gaelic football, with soccer and rugby explicitly banned
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Just realized now this is 8 year old thread, and I have contributed to same. Doh!
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and is other news, apparently Charles Kennedy has just resigned as Lib Dem Leader. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out he likes a sherry or two.........
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| bozski70 wrote: |
Snowboarders have a single edge, on either side of their board and their legs are strapped sideways. This leaves ONLY one single edge with which to turn, CARVE and stop.
Skiers have two edges at any one time with which to turn, CARVE or stop.
By mere definition and fact, snow boarding lacks the carving and stopping ability of skis. |
Much though it pains me to reopen such an old discussion, this is based on a fundamentally incorrect understanding of physics.
Friction is proportional to the normal reaction, which in turn, is proportional to the ratio between gravitational force and surface area. In other words, if you double the length of a ski, the frictional forces per cm are halved so overall stopping power remain unchanged.
Granted, the edge of a ski works off a little more than friction - flexibility and shape are also important, for example. However, the general principal remains the same: stopping power is only loosely correlated with edge length.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Markmcn, ..and The Beatles have split 
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Rugby Peter, thats just lazy! i spent 20 seconds looking on google for a news story from January 2006 for my post!!
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You know it makes sense.
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I particularly liked the bit where rich people have more self-control... and my golly gosh don't the proles swear a lot! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Skied a very beautiful,long,steep and soft mogul field a couple of weeks ago - it was marvellous to see a slope that had not been scraped by boarders. (Italy)
Then skied in Tignes / Val and was frequently scared by boarders and 2x nearly taken out by boarders straightlining , very fast, where slopes intersected.
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Poster: A snowHead
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There's a WHALE? In the THAMES?
Also, this is my favourite part:
| bozski70 wrote: |
| Boarders outnumber skiers by a factor of 5 or more. Disregard that, I suck cocks. |
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Fundamentally I am correct: I did not say the "length" of the edge is the difference, I said the fact that a skier has TWO edges, controlled separately, that is what makes a skier able to turn and stop in a shorter distance.
And Mr Pieholeo, you reinforce my comment on the filth factor. Way to bat for your team though, thanks for making my point.
As for skiers "mostly" skiing only on one edge, this agains misses my point. If a child turns in front of me, requiring me to stop or turn on a dime, I guarantee both edges will bite and bite hard. Result, I spare the child. Can a snowboarder to this? No. That is mere physics.
As for the three resorts that are banning boarders and the lawsuit against Alta ... Alta will win. It is not a matter of who owns the land. It is not because of skiers or boarders or any animosity between the two. Alta will win because snowboarding is not a protected class. Legally, Alta could NOT ban whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, different religious groups, men or women because these are protected classes. The type of sport you participate in is NOT a protected class. So, being on federal land versus private land is a moot point. The only thing that matters is discriminating against a protected class. Even Mr Pieholeo who seems to be part of a class who is vehemently attempting to gain protection status, the gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered sort are not yet a protected class. So, those suing Alta will either be dismissed at summary judgement or give up on their own right shortly when they find that the cost of losing the case could subject them not only to their costs but the costs of the court and opposing side's (Alta) legal fees. I guess my (general) comment that boarders are less educated is also sustained through this example.
I hope Alta can afford not to give in to boarders (not the legal side, they will win that as I mentioned above, but the economics of it ... so many boarders) and look forward to taking my seven year old (he will be seven by then) to enjoy a mountain free from the inherent dangers of boarders. I wish we could all be responsible and not endanger ourselves or others around us, but that is not the current world we live in. Until then, I wish you all, skiers and boarders alike, a great run full of fun, safety and smiles!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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bozski70, you could always just bear arms against them...
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And I don't mean taking your jumper off
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Perhaps if they were communists, or socialists to boot ...
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| bozski70 wrote: |
Everyone seems to miss the obvious.
Boarders outnumber skiers by a factor of 5 or more. |
The obvious that's missing is bozski70's location - S. Calif resorts do have a higher proportion of boarders than even N. California..... and it appears many S. CA boarders haven't taken a lesson so have had no chance of learning anything about safety.
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Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Sun 23-02-14 8:43; edited 2 times in total
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Hmm. Ancient thread, but it is intesting. I have mixed feelings. I have had great sliding in the company if specific boarders, but, on piste I am a bit wary of boarders in general. At Alleghe, a couple of weeks ago, I was aware of three concerns:
1. I was aperhensive of boarders close to me on chairlifts. In all cases I need not have worried.
2. Some boarders knelt/sat in the middle of pistes, including areas not visible, to those coming down hill, until very late. Nothing new there, I know, and it wasn't all that common.
3. On narrow-ish pistes winding down round a hill, many boarders were coming down close to and facing the hill, so that those overtaking them had to do so blind side.
[Edited to correct typos]
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Sun 23-02-14 13:21; edited 1 time in total
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Snowheads gold. I think we've all learned something here.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| bozski70 wrote: |
| The fact remains the distance it takes a boarder to stop or carve a turn will be much greater than that of a skier. Hence, the inherent danger. Boarders outnumber skiers by a factor of 5 or more. |
[citation needed]
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Inexperienced skiers and boarders are all prone to crashing sometimes into other people, I've seen any number of people with skis on fall as they dismount from a chairlift especially when there are more than two on the chair, same with boarders, the only two times I can recall where I've been hit though it's been by a skier who was going too fast for his ability.
I only have two issues with boarders
1. Please chaps stop and lie down if you want to, but do so at the side of the piste where you can be seen and are unlikely to be injured
2. Passing boarders on the blind side on a gentle slope (or road) thats also narrow, I always try to let people kow I'm passing but always feel more wary passing a boarder than a skier.
The real issue is that skiing and boarding are dangerous sports (whatever people might think) and you need to learn the skills to be on the slopes, people that go out with little or no training are dangerous, but unless we are going to start issuing cerificates of competance I don't know what to suggest
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It's funny bozski70 complains that snowboards don't turn or stop as well, because (as an unskilled skier) I find sharing a hill with boarders more worrying precisely because they seem to suddenly turn 90 degrees without warning!
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You know it makes sense.
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| bozski70 wrote: |
| The only thing that matters is discriminating against a protected class. Even Mr Pieholeo who seems to be part of a class who is vehemently attempting to gain protection status, the gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered sort are not yet a protected class. |
I can feel a new sig coming on.
You're one of the funniest people ever on snowHeads, and I love you. With all my heart and both my gigantic testicles, I love you.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Sig updated.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Is there a poorly xerox'd bozski70 newsletter or something we can subscribe to?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Fox News
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Snowboarding is the choice of vanity over practicality... end of
That's why loud, foul-mouthed, grubby, risk-taking knuckle draggers do it... cuz that stuff's cool!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Quick calculation reveals bozski70's BMI to be 31.2 - in case you wanted to know. I wonder what colour his neck is? (and yes, that is how "colour" is spelt )
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| dulcamara wrote: |
| Snowboarding is the choice of fun over practicality... end of |
FIFY. Because I spend the other 50 weeks of the year being practical.
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Scandalous misquoting there... how dare thee!
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Quick calculation reveals bozski70's BMI to be 31.2 - in case you wanted to know. I wonder what colour his neck is?
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So far I have not been taken out by a skier, but on numerous occasions by boarders. I'm just back - this year in two days I was struck and bowled over from behind, by a boarder (narrowly missed a broken leg IMO - the board edge hit close to the top of my boot), a skier and my own skiing partner and narrowly missed by another skier!! (Next year I'll wash the target off my jacket!!). I am still wary of boarders in particular, but skiers can be just as senseless. If I could ask something of boarders if would be that I wish they wouldn't get to within earshot just behind me and then make that scraping sound with their boards. I think I would sooner not know that they were there esp. if they are going to miss me anyway.
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Megamum, I don't like skiers OR snowbaorders, Loving the off piste weeks
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