Are wider skis on piste leading to more injuries?

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@miranda, appreciated. Amazing how a comment intended to be helpful that there is a tendency for some Brits to ski on skis wider than ideal which instructors agree with in substance can cause so much excitement

A foreign body and a foreign mind are never welcome in the land of the blind.

I would like to provoke Brits to think about their attitudes to foreigners and how they behave abroad. There is a substantial proportion that are at best narrow minded and tiresome and there are some who are shockingly racist and xenophobic. Of course that is not the majority and of course Brits are not alone. I think some people need to look up the word generalisation and xenophobia. It's very amusing that the most xenophobic and tiresome people on here call me xenophobic and tiresome when they clearly don't even understand the words. Hopefully a few will reflect but no doubt the majority will not change but I know a lot of great Brits and locals to ski with and I've learnt to avoid those Brits who are at best tiresome. Happy

What I say here and in real life are the same and as my main skiing problem at the moment is handling the conflict between invites from good people in the real world it is clearly take it as it is intended. I'm just telling people here the reality as some instructors and locals see it. I know what my instructors and locals really think of my skiing and what they say to customers. I don't take offence and accuse them of xenophobia. I recognise and accept the reality.

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You have got to be f*cking joking

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@TTT, Ihave no idea what you might think you might be actually talking about.

No idea at all.

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Best send my whitedots back then

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@graeme, would not do that, very good ski

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Not arrived yet but maybe best to be safe than sorry

graeme, don't tell me, you went from blades to Ragnaroks? Shocked

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@Zero_G, it was a natural progression

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Nothing like taking a leap of faith! Laughing

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@Zero_G, it was my bid to go narrower.

miranda, I would expect fat skis to put more strain on the lateral ligaments and the meniscii of the knee, I don't see the width making it more likely that you would re-injure your ACL.

Comparing weights, a pair of 106mm wide Soul 7s feels lighter than 65mm wide GS skis of the same length.

You know it makes sense.

@miranda, see have dangerous it is to enter to reasonable discourse with a foreigner Happy

. You will be blackballed from bashes if you are not careful. Next thing you know you will buy yourself a proper pair of skis and there will be no turning back wink

@Zero_G, let them enjoy their rabid frothing of the mouth. Of course they are right. They can all carve a blacks on their fat skis. They are all fluent in the local language and UKIP and the Daily Fail don't actually exist. If you don't believe that I have a point though have a look at the ESF thread as there is an amusing illustration of the point I am making.

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@Zero_G, although I had thought you were younger, 46 is still young. I'm thinking really of friends' parents and my FIL getting knee and hip replacements in their early 60s after a very sporty life… maybe I'm being naive in thinking early 60s is young for that sort of thing… so, on that note @rjs, it's no so much worrying I would re-injure my ACL, more that it made me start to think about joint health in general and wanting to try to make sure I could keep doing these activities for as long as possible (so I hike in the mountains with poles etc.)… hang on, I seem to remember the cramps telling us we were muppets who'd fallen for a marketing ploy if using hiking poles and pointing out that local mountain folk (i.e. sherpas) didn't use them… hmmm… think I've just worked out whose sock TTT is. Laughing

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Since someone mentioned white dots... There is more to a skis performance than width. The whitedot preacher has positive camber, some sidecut but wide underfoot and stiff...

I don't know enough about ski construction but I suspect stiffness, camber and shape have as much influence as width...

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@kitenski, preachers you say........ Hmmm if only I had been clever enough to order some of them Toofy Grin

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He/she has an overinflated sense of self importance if they think everyone is "excited" at his/her observations never mind "rabid frothing at the mouth".
"Bored", "tired" or "weary" would be more accurate.

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@speed098, thanks for spelling it out, I am on a small screen here and wasn't sure if the middle letter was a t or an i

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@dode,

It might be duel meaning wink

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Maybe I'm not paying enough attention but I thought the accusation regards wide skis was a propensity to cause chronic rather than acute injuries ?

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@Jonathan Bell, as ever, a really helpful post - thank you!

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People who think I am a troll are indeed probably best advised to click the ignore button. I am never going to convince those with closed minds that being open to the views of people who have different experiences to their own and integrating with locals greatly enhances the skiing experience. SHS can be cliquey sometimes. Never healthy.

I do agree best not to fight it when you are falling!

You know it makes sense.

I don't think you are a troll either anymore, no troll would keep tossing out the same dead bait over and over.

Much sadder is the rubbish you speak does in fact appear to be your actual views on stuff, two days ago you annoyed me now I just feel a bit sorry for you.

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@TTT,
The problem is not that we are not open to other peoples views but that it is the incessant belittling and criticism of british skiers.

If we did this to another nationality you would be the first to harangue us for doing so. Yet you are not open to other peoples opinion you have a closed mind but because you perceive your view to be balanced because it is derived from your friends who are of different nationality's you think it is correct.
Have you thought tht maybe you and your friends views may not be representative after all. No matter how popular someone is nobody's friend base is that vast to be able to provide a balanced representative view of any particular point.

You have provided some good arguments and provided a different perspective to points on other threads, but the incessant attitude towards Brits is portraying you as a Troll ! I wish it was not so I would rather see you be more open minded continue to provide a different opinion but equally accept when others have valid opinions as well.
Many may well press the ignore button on you but that shows only that you have gained no respect and your points valid or not will be ignored. Better to be willing to eat a little humble pie and accept you have and are going too far. Being ignored is not a victory it is a total defeat.

Hopefully you will take this post in the spirit it was sent, with the hope that people will not need to ignore you and be willing to open dialogue and debate points because it is not just what the people here say and do many read this forum but do not join many are directed here by search engines seeking information and advice. The more balanced and informative the advice here the more Snowheads will grow and gain a reputation as a friendly social and knowledgable site that also has fun and a social community.

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@geeo, you are indeed correct that they really are my views albeit admittedly expressed in a provovcative manner. The fact that the views of a foreigner are not appreciated on a Brit message board actually proves my point. I actually agree with the views of the instructors on here and have changed my kit to my benefit based on the views of those who have more experience and more knowledge than me. I get to ski with a lot of different characters and personailities both Brits and locals so thank you for your concern but I would not feel sorry or me.

@speed098, I genuinely appreciate where you are coming from and your sentiments but my comments really are not directed at Brits in general. majority are polite and respectful and I really have no issue what so ever. There are a significant minority though who are ignorant and bigoted. That Brits are generally not brought up skiing and therefore generally have less skill and knowledge than locals is just a matter of fact rather than criticism. Brits don't intergrate particularly well because of the general lack of foreign language skills is again just a matter of fact. I enjoy the skiing company of open minded preople with a sense of humour of many nationalities. I do not enjoy skiing with humourless ignorant bigots.

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@TTT, I don't know why you keep referring to yourself as "a foreigner". I really do think you could do with talking to a professional (and I don't mean a ski instructor).

Glad you have found some of the advice on this forum helpful for your skiing at least.

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@miranda, because I am! Legally yes I do have a British passport but that is as far as it goes. Spent the majority of my life living and working overseas. I don't have a vote in the UK and don't pay taxes in the UK. For all practical purposes I am foreign. I will also legally become foreign if the UK leave the EU. I certainly feel like a foreigner on this message board. It is why my views sit uncomfortably on here because I have different experiences to most on here and therefore I have different views on here. I understand that different views make people feel uncomfortable and are not popular. A little rude and presumptions to make such accusations I would say. wink

but then I'm used to that on here.

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I came onto this forum in order to discuss faffing, with both boots and skis, but I have found that a sizable minority of French, German, Austrian and Italian skiers hold disrespectful views on the subject. Not all of them by any means, but as a faffer I have often been disparaged, indeed, very few mainland Europeans seen to make any effort to understand faffing, never mind actually acquiring any faffing skills themselves. They usually stick together in clichéd well organised groups, getting off lifts and skiing away quickly thus alienating the faffers who then have to make their way down the mountain alone after five minutes of adjusting boot buckles and redistributing kit between rucksack and pockets.
Their closed minded attitudes cast a shadow over this noble sport.

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@Scarpa,

brilliant - yep faffing can we added to my list of generalisations wink

one thing I've certainly learnt from local instructors is that faffing is for the lift. You quickly learn not to faff on the slope if you want to keep sight of your instructor and your co skiers. You are not truly foreign though until you push in lift queues with impunity.

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@davidof, im curious. ok so im legally British but if I don't live, work, have the the right to vote or pay tax in the UK and English is not my main language for all practical purposes I am foreign to the UK. In an increasingly international world I am one of a growing number of people who finds the nationality question hard to answer definitively. Yes I have a British passport but that only makes me legally British. For all practical and cultural purposes I'm a foreigner to the UK.

Do I detect a slight drift in this thread. snowHead

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