 Poster: A snowHead
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| thecramps wrote: |
| ...Maybe it was just my experience there, icy, mogully and very busy. |
Take a tip from an old school snowboarder: ride moguls when in condition. Out of condition, leave them for the beginners, who will sideslip them anyway.
Any run is going to be terrible when it's not in condition. Snowboards have a wider range of tolerance (I'm happy when you lot are having trouble with the slop), but even so you need to work out what's good and when.
Worst run? Something called "How Flat It Is", in waist deep powder. I remember about a mile of traversing on my snowboard behind a guide making tracks across the flats. That was in the days when guides used to try to "work over" snowboarders - he picked it just for me. I'm a racing cyclist, so I sucked his wheel the whole way, and made sure he didn't see me breathing hard. At the end of the flats... we picked up and went somewhere else.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Oh right, that must be it. I don't like celery, does that mean I'm not eating it right? And obviously my ears are doing it wrong as I don't like Bob Dylan. And as for Woody Allen....................
Seriously mate, I just don't enjoy moguls, they hurt my left knee, but not because I'm doing it wrong, but as a legacy of a motorcycle accident, but if I come across them, or when my GF wants to ski them, I do and I can.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Not sure of the name, but it's a blue between Les Crossets and Avoriaz. It looks like a brilliant run on the piste map but all you do for the last 1/2 of the run is pole the whole way.
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Thanks philwig, that's what we tend to do. We also try to avoid crowds.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| adithorp wrote: |
| Ours into Motteret. Come back late from VT as the lifts close and there's no alternative. Only good bit is straight-lining the few downhill bits in the hope of saving some poling. Complete nightmare for beginners though. |
Yup, rule no 1 when in 3V don't use this run, done it 2 - 3 times and always end up cheesed / knackered from the poling!
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Ricklovesthepowder, "Retour Chavanette" ? Actually vaguely recall "Abricotine" being a bit long and flat somewhere. Not skied there for a loooong time, so may be somewhere else. But that run from there all the way down to Morzine is fun on a bike.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
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Jerusalem ... much better when I have it all to myself ... hopefully this post will help
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+1 Should be avoided (by everyone else) at all costs. |
Crikey! You two can have it all to yourselves.
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| Tordi wrote: |
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Santons in Val D'Isere!
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Santon, or more affectionately known as the 'tube of death', is probably the most unbearable piste I've ever had the misfortune of skiing. It's an icy hell hole littered with terrified beginners. |
Tube of death indeed! This gets my vote, and also because it felt like it went on forever, and then when it's finally over you get... A flat shuffle into town.
andy, re Selva, I know exactly which bit you mean, but at least it's picturesque and short. I stopped (I know...) to take a picture, only to drop my camera case over the edge into the trees and then had to wade through 4ft of powder to retrieve it! Mr S was then found shuffling against the flow of skiers to retrieve me, because he thought I must've had an accident to take so long 
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I think there should also be an honourable mention for any of the home runs at Ischgl, particularly after the point where they all merge into one icy death slide to the bottom. I had so much fun trying not to lose control of my limbs, that I failed to notice my buddies had all taken the exit stage left about half way down, leaving me to navigate back to the pedestrian lift to join them.
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one icy death slide to the bottom
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Fun isn't it  That last bits called the Prennerhang. I'd agree that they can be a bit of a nightmare late afternoon, very busy, variable conditions, icy one minute, soft the next, too many inexperienced skiers but in the morning when everyone else is going up and you're coming down they're fantastic.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Steissbachtal (aka Happy Valley) at 3:30pm. Much nicer to traverse into Bachseite and drop off opposite the Mattun exit.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Happy Valley) at 3:30pm
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Ugh, a combination of that and feeling rather ill at the time (shouldn't really have been skiing at all) nearly finished me off! 
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In Happy Valley's favour: it is comical seeing so many people strewn out on snow, and you will always witness some actual live collisions. But seriously that piste is a real problem.
From our hotel jacuzzi in St Anton, we could see skiers leaving the (?Krazy Kangaruh). It was comical how many had bad falls, and apalling how fellow skiers skied right past ones who seemed either seriously hurt or pissed off their brains
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You know it makes sense.
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Santon, or more affectionately known as the 'tube of death', is probably the most unbearable piste I've ever had the misfortune of skiing. It's an icy hell hole littered with terrified beginners. |
Oh yes. I've done it once and have no intention of returning. The Face is no harder and presents far less chance of being taken out by another skier.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| thecramps wrote: |
| Also that stupid black that's not a black at all in ADH, the really long one. |
The Sarenne? I liked it. It's a long, varied run into some wild country. Yeah there's some poling. Black, I think, because once you are on it you are committed to a long ski rather than inherent difficulty.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I am struggling with the concept of this thread, because apart from the odd experience of crappy weather/white out/crappy snow I would happily ski any piste that I have previously skied before . . . . over and over.
I just love being on ski's on a hill wherever that may be?
Am I odd?
We never needed to pole when we did The Sarrenne, perhaps conditions were better?
Edit for: I also didn't like the times when I spectacularly tumbled and either winded myself badly and my pride or tore my hamstring(twice!), but apart form that . . . . 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I went down some enormous mogol field in Avoriaz once that was officially a red that was hell. Otehrwise it's really hard to say as a run may be amazing in good conditions but when it's slushy or cut up it can be hell on earth.
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| Filthyphil30k wrote: |
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| Jerusalem ... much better when I have it all to myself ... hopefully this post will help |
I went on this a couple of years ago, really looking forward to it after hearing all the plaudits on here. The snow in the three valleys was in excellent condition after lots of recent snow seemingly everywhere bar Jerusalem, where it was like skiing over a field of potatoes, with hard lumps of ice all over the run. The adjacent run (Pramint) was in fabulous condition.
So yeah, Jerusalem  |
I agree, as earlier. You are obviously not fat with a spyder jacket. |
I liked Jerusalem but agree that Pramints was something else. Unbelievable run.
Worst was Carline, running backuinto Tignes val claret. There's no way that should be a blue, but it's below the 'ski tranquil' so gets packed and mogulled up. Awful run in the slush of March.
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For me it has got to be the Roc Mugnier piste in Courchevel 1650 - even after half a metre of fresh snow it was just icy and bumpy underneath! Avoid!
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One more vote for Santons.
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Not really a "worst" but in Champoussin/Morgins they named a new piste in honour of local boy Didier Defago - it is a black fading to red, north facing, with good variety of gradients and enough bends to make it interesting, and it is also usually deserted. First thing it is brilliant.
However the reason it is deserted, is that at the bottom it joins on to a very long flat blue that runs through the trees for what feels like about 4 km into Morgins itself - if it's cold and icy (it usually is, being in the bottom the valley where the sun doesn't shine) you can just about schuss it at 5mph if nobody gets in your way. If there is soft snow you can be looking at an awful lot of poling.
So Piste Didier Defago is simultaneously my best, and worst, piste in Champoussin
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| northantsred wrote: |
I am struggling with the concept of this thread, because apart from the odd experience of crappy weather/white out/crappy snow I would happily ski any piste that I have previously skied before . . . . over and over.
I just love being on ski's on a hill wherever that may be?
Am I odd?
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Not sure, I think most people are referring to pistes that are frequently unpleasant to ski, I doubt any piste is always unpleasant to ski.
The runs back to Ischgl quoted above are a classic example, when freshly prepared and quiet which they usually are till early afternoon they are long attractive interesting runs. Late afternoon they can become challenging and somewhat frightening as crowds of skiers come down frequently at speed and lacking control.
The challenge can be fun, but I would be lying if I said it was always enjoyable.
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Santons.
End of.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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The rat-run down to Arc 1950 is also narrow and a pain in the a&%e. If you stop to let the people hoolying through pass, you risk being mown down at the edge by out of control beginners. Seems to be a favourite for Russian grannies to take their grandchildren on with sledges too...right at the narrowest part at the bottom.
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| Filthyphil30k wrote: |
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| Jerusalem ... much better when I have it all to myself ... hopefully this post will help |
I went on this a couple of years ago, really looking forward to it after hearing all the plaudits on here. The snow in the three valleys was in excellent condition after lots of recent snow seemingly everywhere bar Jerusalem, where it was like skiing over a field of potatoes, with hard lumps of ice all over the run. The adjacent run (Pramint) was in fabulous condition.
So yeah, Jerusalem |
I agree, as earlier. You are obviously not fat with a spyder jacket. |
Have to say I do agree in the main. I wouldn't class it as a bad run, in fact it is quite nice but it could be the most overrated.
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You know it makes sense.
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All the reds and all the blacks. The greens and blues are perfectly adequate for connecting the areas together, getting you across the flat bits, and providing enough skiing for lower-level skiers and cruisers to make the resorts viable. Any terrain which justifies a red or black run should be left the way nature intended, and not have pistes hogging the nicest lines and consuming grooming resources. People wanting to progress beyond the blue runs should make the effort to reach the required level, rather than having the mountain modified to boost their egos! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'm not too sure nature intended mogul fields. Regarding your heart-felt plea for mountains to be left as nature intended, presumably you eschew all use of up-lift?
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Poster: A snowHead
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shep, yep.
I still also favour a return to straught skinny skis if you want to go off piste.
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| foxtrotzulu wrote: |
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Jerusalem ... much better when I have it all to myself ... hopefully this post will help
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+1 Should be avoided (by everyone else) at all costs. |
Ditto
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dogwatch, nature intended moguls, if only to separate the skiers from the spectators.
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| Valkyrie wrote: |
| I actually like Tourmaline in Flaine, although it does seem to get a bit crowded near the bottom. |
Tourmaline 09.00hrs = divine
Tourmaline after 10.00hrs  just because of the numbers going to and from rest of GM, particularly on the bendy bit
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| Layne wrote: |
The last run home on the last day of your ski trip  |
Yup that has to be the worst one, we always try and get the very last lift up to the highest spot and ski home, and it is so sad to kick off the skis.
Out from that the chin clip in stowe Vermont, it was after an ice storm and all the moguls were frozen solid and hard like eggs in a basket, It's lovely after a fresh snow, but the hard packed ice made it less fun. ( now I know why there were only about five of us on it)
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| ulmerhutte wrote: |
| Steissbachtal (aka Happy Valley) at 3:30pm. Much nicer to traverse into Bachseite and drop off opposite the Mattun exit. |
This, plus any other run which funnels a lot of people of differing abilities (and worse, differing impressions of their abilities, possibly augmented by drink) into narrow terrain. Not really fun to ski.
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santons as wel!
and the last part of the home run into Les Gets, from many years ago, is it the section below the Yetti bar?
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boredsurfin, blue run Gentian is the one that continues on past the Yeti. It's a fab blue but not when the world and his dog are going home. A few years back they created a red alternative under the Chavannes chair which is good though pretty icy.
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The last 100m or so? Ie when you come off the flattish section, on to the slightly steeper end bit that opens up with the baby drag on the left (facing down) ?
Not really sure how or what puts that into the "worst piste" category. Bit worn out maybe.
Used to ski that red mainly. Often deserted.
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