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| pam w wrote: |
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I have got less than 5000 out of a set
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Yes, that was the face I pulled when I had to pay for them. It was only the back two.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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the main differences between a winter tyre and a summer tyre are: thread patern and rubber compound. winter tyres are softer and the rubber compound is different. if you drive winter tyres during summer, thery wear-out very quickly. thus the best option would either have a complete set of winter tyres mounted on a different set of wheels, or to go to the garage two times a year and mount/dismount tyres. I have a separate set and am independent from garages - just put on my winter set when it is needed. the extra set of wheels is not cheep, but you only buy it once, there are different price options and i also save on garage costs. while my summer and winter tyres last longer as each set is used in appropriate conditions.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I think I might try the Kwikfit storage option, as storing them is a bit of a pain. But last year Kwikfit didn't have any decent tyres and I got mine from Tyremen. The pair I had on the driving wheels, all winter, are hardly worn at all - they did a fair mileage, including two trips to the Alps and back. Depends how you drive, I suppose.  I find it best to avoid wheelspin.
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| pam w wrote: |
| blahblahblah, what do transfer drivers do to tyres to make them wear out so quickly? |
Drive round and round corners/hairpins it's one thing to drive in a straight line and that will wear tyres at one rate, turn corners and braking will wear them at a completely different rate.
Most transfer drivers will drive reasonably slowly when they've got passengers but when they're on their own, either on the way home or to the next pick up....
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| pam w wrote: |
| I think I might try the Kwikfit storage option, as storing them is a bit of a pain. But last year Kwikfit didn't have any decent tyres and I got mine from Tyremen. The pair I had on the driving wheels, all winter, are hardly worn at all - they did a fair mileage, including two trips to the Alps and back. Depends how you drive, I suppose. I find it best to avoid wheelspin. |
So that's 4000 miles of little use on the tyres then!
Your average transfer driver will do proportionally less of their total mileage in a straight line (ie autoroutes)
But also different cars eat tyres at a different rate..... My A6 despite being a big heavy car managed 20,000 on a set... My previous focus needed replacing at around the 6k mark... Bit it did have one or two horses under the bonnet.
If you really want to cry take a car on track and then you'll see how quickly a car can eat tyres.
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marcellus, hmm, quite, I seem to recall 5,000 mile replacement (on the front) P-Zeros on a Fiat Coupe Turbo 
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Company car too, he he he hee
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| Boris, do you change them at the 4mm marker or the lower one at 1.6mm? |
At closer to 2mm, but then they are only being used as summer tyres from end March through to Oct/Nov so 4mm snow grip not relevant in UK
Both Contintetal and Vredestein (yes crap spelling) have said that their winter tyres can safely be used all year - so I do. Ideally would swap but storage etc is not easy, so easier to run the same ones.
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You might not necessarily need winter tyres or chains to get to Argentiere or Vallorcine (or over the Forclaz to Verbier for example, which is included in the Chamonix season pass) as the roads are generally cleared ok, but they are a really good idea anyway as you never know how weather might change and you might get stranded, and they will also give that extra flexibility to go when you want, not just when the weather dictates.
Also, as others have said, they work better than summer tyres in cold temperatures even if there is no snow.
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duh
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| eddiethebus wrote: |
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| marcellus, hmm, quite, I seem to recall 5,000 mile replacement (on the front) P-Zeros on a Fiat Coupe Turbo |
we normally buy 2 new ones every season and rotate them front-back with the new ones on the front from the previous year. Snow tyres seem to wear at an astounding rate sometimes, and need/rely on a lot more tred than summer tyres.  |
although it is advisable to change all 4 at the same time (for an even grip and traction - you would not want the rear part of the car 'overtaking' the front ), if you do change 2 tyres at a time, the better/new tyres should always go on the axel that powers the car - for the rear wheel drive, the better tyres should be on the rear axel, for the front wheel drive - on the front axel. it is always better to have the same level of adhesion to the slipery surface though. It is also relevant for summer tyres (especialy in rain for aquaplaning), but it is much more important in winter.
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Can I pick your collective brains on this subject?
My partner and I need 4 x winter tyres for a Peugeot 407 SW estate (size P215/55 R17 tyres) but having never bought winter tyres before we have no idea what kind of price we'll be looking at. Can anyone give me a rough ballpark idea of how much we should expect to pay per tyre? Would be much appreciated! 
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You know it makes sense.
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Snigger
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'm on my fourth winter on my set. I store them at a little independent tyre place and put £10 in their Xmas box when they change them! Mind you, he won't do that now for others because all the local Poles have asked (apparently the police are very sharp in Poland on winter tyres).
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Tartanfairy wrote: |
Can I pick your collective brains on this subject?
My partner and I need 4 x winter tyres for a Peugeot 407 SW estate (size P215/55 R17 tyres) but having never bought winter tyres before we have no idea what kind of price we'll be looking at. Can anyone give me a rough ballpark idea of how much we should expect to pay per tyre? Would be much appreciated! |
A quick google search (black circle and etyres) suggest £100 per corner for budget and £150 per corner for branded.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tartanfairy, £100 a corner , maybe a bit less. Buy a brand you have heard of, and look for deals. Quick fit were doing 4th one free.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Plus vat
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| mooney058 wrote: |
| eddiethebus wrote: |
| under a new name wrote: |
| marcellus, hmm, quite, I seem to recall 5,000 mile replacement (on the front) P-Zeros on a Fiat Coupe Turbo |
we normally buy 2 new ones every season and rotate them front-back with the new ones on the front from the previous year. Snow tyres seem to wear at an astounding rate sometimes, and need/rely on a lot more tred than summer tyres. |
although it is advisable to change all 4 at the same time (for an even grip and traction - you would not want the rear part of the car 'overtaking' the front ), if you do change 2 tyres at a time, the better/new tyres should always go on the axel that powers the car - for the rear wheel drive, the better tyres should be on the rear axel, for the front wheel drive - on the front axel. it is always better to have the same level of adhesion to the slipery surface though. It is also relevant for summer tyres (especialy in rain for aquaplaning), but it is much more important in winter. |
yes i know.
but the "old" ones on the back will have done less than 1000 miles so i dont think we need to worry about it!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| mooney058 wrote: |
if you do change 2 tyres at a time, the better/new tyres should always go on the axel that powers the car - for the rear wheel drive, the better tyres should be on the rear axel, for the front wheel drive - on the front axel. |
That's what I thought, but when I changed two last winter on my RWD, the guy who changed them here in Switzerland insisted that they should go on the front to aid steering in the snow. As this was from a tyre specialist, the owner of a very fancy tyre retailer, and he seemed very knowledgeable, I went with it.
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Whitters, I've been told both things by apparently equally knowledgeable sources!
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| Whitters wrote: |
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if you do change 2 tyres at a time, the better/new tyres should always go on the axel that powers the car - for the rear wheel drive, the better tyres should be on the rear axel, for the front wheel drive - on the front axel. |
That's what I thought, but when I changed two last winter on my RWD, the guy who changed them here in Switzerland insisted that they should go on the front to aid steering in the snow. As this was from a tyre specialist, the owner of a very fancy tyre retailer, and he seemed very knowledgeable, I went with it. |
Before my current 4wd, my previous cars were all RWD. I attended special driving courses given by rally drivers, read some special literature and especialy on RWD, tyres giving better traction should go on the rear axel.
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^ this. I simplistic terms, whether the car is FWD, RWD, AWD the front wheels turn the car, the rear wheels try to keep the car going straight. Therefore to maintain stability the tyres with the better grip should be fitted to the rear. Understeer is easier to control than oversteer.
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4D is a very good choice
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Im glad to hear it! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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However what do people think is it still a good idea to carry our chains too? will we encounter snow where we'd chains on the winter tyres???
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| ben_turner2102 wrote: |
| However what do people think is it still a good idea to carry our chains too? will we encounter snow where we'd chains on the winter tyres??? |
Yes, still carry chains. In France when you pass the blue signs with chains on them at the side of the road you're legally obliged to have chains in the vehicle.
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You know it makes sense.
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ben_turner2102, if you don't have chains or a 4x4 and the police are mandating them, they won't let you pass. Doesn't even need to be in an area with blue signs.
So... Yes, chains a good idea and it's worth buying the thicker ones ...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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ben_turner2102, Deffo go for them if you can. They make a huge difference. Since investing in them for my own car, I'd never be without them.
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Poster: A snowHead
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if you don't have chains or a 4x4 and the police are mandating them, they won't let you pass
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and some reports in recent years were that 4 x 4 vehicles also had to put chains on, unless they had snow tyres with good amount of tread on them.
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