 Poster: A snowHead
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Weird. I've never had anything like that happen to ski poles before. From the picture they both look like the same type/brand. Maybe try something different next time?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Megamum, Is every run a white knuckle ride?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Wears that glove thread 
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that's just what happens when I hold on them whilst skiing.
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you must be hanging on for grim death! Gripping with your finger nails. Do you also grip the bottom of your boots with your toes? 
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how do you injure your hands by using straps  If you put them on properly they will be handing round your wrists as soon as you let go.
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Megamum, just out of interest, do you milk the goats by hand?
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| Raceplate wrote: |
| Thornyhill wrote: |
| how do you injure your hands by using straps If you put them on properly they will be hanging round your wrists as soon as you let go. |
If the basket catches in netting, bushes, trees, rocks etc. at any kind of speed the handgrip will be ripped out of your hand but the strap usually catches on your wrist yanking your arm back. |
If you have arms that are less robust than a 3mm piece of plastic then you are probably right
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Megamum, It looks as if there has been something hard abrading the grips in a very specific place. You don't have any hard bits on your gloves do you? Or somehow trap the pole buckle in your grip? It's a little hard to see, but it doesn't look like general wear more specific wearing. Is the damage in line with any rings you are wearing? A 5 carat diamond solitaire has pretty rough edges 
Actually, the abrasion seems to be where the tip of your index finger meets your thumb when you grip the pole, so unlikely to be a ring.
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If you have arms that are less robust than a 3mm piece of plastic then you are probably right
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I think Thornyhill is right; the plastic would rip off before his arm did.
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Megamum, those are the grips I have as well, mine are unfortunately even worse than that (obviously still useable though) guess its just a rubbish material..
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Also, I ski off piste with my straps on, my poles often get caught on a tree or bit of ice, which tends to just pull the pole out of my hand (not had any injuries from it yet), i just figure it will be a pain in the a§§ to go back and get it in deep powder!
i guess it is a little risk i take, in order to save a more common ball ache (i like to live on the edge like that)!
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You know it makes sense.
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Megamum, have you spoken to the manufacturer/retail outlet??? Seems a very strange and unique to you problem!! Next time your at Hemel take a peak at the poles there, that probably get used daily without such issues!!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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dulcamara, I ski on piste with straps on, off piste with them off so they can be thrown away quickly in a slide....
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Poster: A snowHead
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Megamum, You haven't been using them to stir your boeuf bourguignon have you?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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What sort of gloves are you using are they causing the problem? Have they got some sort of abrasive on them?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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If you have arms that are less robust than a 3mm piece of plastic then you are probably right
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I think Thornyhill is right; the plastic would rip off before his arm did. |
Having (unsuccessfully) tried to get the grips off a pair of poles to shorten them I wouldn't take that risk.
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Claude B, it takes a lot of force to rip an arm off. Very little to injure a shoulder. One of my ski companions dislocated his thumb, quite painfully, because of a pole strap. It didn't rip off, though.
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pam w, True, I was thinking more of a painful injury rather than an amputation 
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When you stop for a vin chaud/beer/lunch or at the end of the day, do you hang your poles on the end of your skis? Could the ski edges be causing the damage?
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to put the grip wear conversation to rest, it's just a very soft rubber they're used which peels off in layers, obviously just the wrong material. I have a few pairs of gloves and it gets worse with all of them. They are still totally usable and really grippy, K2 just need to get it sorted for the future.
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+1
Looks like UV damage to me.
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UV damage? You mean too much time hung on skis, outside a bar, and not enough time being gripped in the hand?
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| DaddyLouLou wrote: |
| UV damage? You mean too much time hung on skis, outside a bar, and not enough time being gripped in the hand? |
MM has been banged to rights, to much drinking not enough slope time.
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dulcamara, it is reassuring that I am not alone, though it appears we are in a minority that have those grips.
Hells Bells, I doubt the ski edges would ineract with the handles at that point as other parts of the pole grip sit 'prouder' and would mean that the wear point was held away from the skis.
altis, yes, it does resemble what happens to plastics in UV light, but I think its a wear issue caused by friction. I don't think gloves are the problem as I have tried several different pairs. Yes, I did used to milk the goats with the same hands - maybe I have an extra strong grip as a result.
FWIW though it has been discussed I don't think straps are the issue, unless where I hold them 'according to convention' the webbing material is what causes the wear - which I must admit I hadn't considered, but the wear is around the grip, rather than just down one side which I would expect if the webbing was the problem.
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| Claude B wrote: |
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If you have arms that are less robust than a 3mm piece of plastic then you are probably right
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I think Thornyhill is right; the plastic would rip off before his arm did. |
Having (unsuccessfully) tried to get the grips off a pair of poles to shorten them I wouldn't take that risk. |
I mean the basket. If you put your straps on upside down your thumb would probably give way before the basket though
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[/quote]Having (unsuccessfully) tried to get the grips off a pair of poles to shorten them I wouldn't take that risk.[/quote]
Had a huge amount of fun only a few weeks back shortening my poles .... 10/15mins with grips submerged in hot water (to soften the glue), then a a tug-of-war style operation with my girlfriend, which ended-up with her flying across the room when the grips finally popped off (I told her to brace herself ... but did she listen?) and I can say that it is, just about, do-able 
As for straps on/off .... 2 x dislocated thumbs leads me (and the docs at the hospitals I attended) to the conclusion that straps off is the way to go. Although I still don't really understands the mechanics of how the injuries occurred.
As for the peeling grips - with Poles only costing £20, and the fact I seem to bend/break them a lot, I reckon they definitely fall into the catergory of cheap and easy to replace if needed. Does the peeling actually cause any problems when skiing? If not, use them 'til they die and replace.
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You know it makes sense.
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dislocated thumbs from straps means your not holding them properly....
hold like this, then the pole falls away if you let go
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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We brought our daughter a set of poles as a Christmas present a couple of years ago when she opened them the handles looked very similar to above we took them back to shop who swapped them but did say as we were leaving are you sure you do not have mice. We were sure we did not until a little while later when we found several things chewed in the garage then realised that's where we had hidden poles pre-Christmas.
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Poster: A snowHead
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kitenski, that is how I hold them
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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abj, I think some are easier than others, I've had a couple of goes with these even failing with a wooden mallet after boiling water.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Claude B,
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| even failing with a wooden mallet after boiling water |
The poles or the mice?
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My friend was holding his poles the recommended way but sort of fell towards his pole so his hand was below the level of the top of the pole - and the strap did some damage. Whether you can "let go" of the pole in time to prevent any damage depends on what else is happening at the time. The only time I strap mine on is if I am offering somebody a tow.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Megamum wrote: |
| kitenski, that is how I hold them |
Same here, though they didn't come off when I got them caught in netting, even doing between 5-10 mph it bloody hurts the shoulders being yanked off your feet unexpectedly. Hurts the pride too!
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hold like this, then the pole falls away if you let go
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if that were true, why would you not wear straps off piste... ahah your ruse has been exposed.. i win!
ok time for one more zebrowska then bed...
p.s. you have girlier hands than i had expected!
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| dulcamara wrote: |
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hold like this, then the pole falls away if you let go
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if that were true, why would you not wear straps off piste... ahah your ruse has been exposed.. i win!
ok time for one more zebrowska then bed...
p.s. you have girlier hands than i had expected! |
Rotflmao @ girlie hands. I was thinking the very same thing....... but I guess you must have girlie arms or the basket would rip off before you dislocate your shoulder 
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My father is still using his Vielhaber poles he bought in avimore circa 1980. Still going strong just on about their 20th pair of baskets.
No handle wear to talk of.
Leather straps long gone though
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Without wishing to get dragged in to the shoulder/thumb dislocation discussion too much, surely the basket is irrelevant. We are not talking about some yeti grabbing the other end and giving it an almighty yank. We are talking about the pole as a lever and applying a twisting force.
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