 Poster: A snowHead
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Sideshow_Bob, I agree that the lack of snow on GB's alpine tour section last year was odd and was certainly better viewed in the condensed format shown a few weeks ago - effectively, it was a travel section that didn't fit.
As for the rest of last year's format I also agree that is didn't work maybe as well as intended, but the intention was still there to freshen up a programme that would work to introduce skiing and snowboarding to a wider audience. I'm just a bit miffed that A) I had to wait for snooker to finish before I got my snow fix, and B) the snow fix I got, although exciting in terms of the racing, wasn't the programme the BBC made last year, which was in my eyes, a great idea.
Like you say, hopefully HA will offer the casual skier/snowboarder a more appropriate allotment of 'leisure' snow activities 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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halfhand, I take it ur upset that Ski-Sunday interrupted the Snooker then? 
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halfhand, I find the first couple of skiiers on a give course interesting, then, as you say- it gets mightily repetitive. The boredom is then broken up by some good crashes (just as I'm nodding off)
I did find tonights show fairly good though, first time I've probably ever sat through that much ski racing for that length of time!
I do agree as has been mentioned earlier, that the other show is on too late at 10PM
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Sideshow_Bob wrote: |
| Regarding the race itself, I'm sure the Hundschopf used to be a lot bigger in the past, as did the finish jump, although the Ziel-S looked as hard as ever. Has the course been remodelled or are the improved skis allowing tighter lines to be taken leading up to the jumps and better preparation hence shorter distances off them? |
the end has been reshaped last summer, the rest is the same. Only other difference is the snow base isnt so deep around the top this year as the storms keep battering the snow. A week ago there was 5 cannons in a row making that piste.
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This Ski Sunday was a vast improvement on last year's appalling attempt - Bell +1 have been suitably calmed and their more extrovert moments (a primary cause of so many complaints last year) will now hopefully appear only the new programme starting next week. If this is so and it follows the base format of last year, albeit with less of Bell's shouty ego and less the boarder guy's more inane moments, it should be good.
My only complaint was that at 30mins it was too short, they could have added another 1/2 hour and included eg the slalom event, together with maybe some boarding competition.
There is, of course, already a note made to watch the 'red button' racing at 'buhl next Saturday 
Well done to the BBC for listening and acting on the thousands of viewer complaints received last year.
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I think the idea to split the programme into two is a good one. I like the TopGear spin, and that programme should be kept and split out from competition.
However, being excited and enthusiastic and looking forward to ski sunday with bated breath, I was frustrated and dissapointed by the competition coverage and format. I knew what I wanted to watch, and that wasn't it. The over-run snooker was more entertaining, informative and enjoyable to watch.
As it is, it won't win many new viewers, and it is surely increasing the apathy of the downhill/old-school skisunday fans.
From the program, I knew it was Wengen, and I recognised the course, and i knew it was downhill. I saw some people racing, a couple of crashes, and that was it. Some uninteresting commentary, albeit enthusiastically presented by Bell. The only good bit of the program was Bell's signature camera run, which is the only bit of this show that needs keeping in its current guise.
Before and after the camera run preceding the race, i want to see something about the structure of competition skiing, made simple for the layman. Flesh out the disciplines succinctly, overview the downhill circuit, and highlighting the calendar, how far through are we, how does the points system work and what are the standings, do national teams compete against each other as well, and ski marques (and if they don't - should they?)
I want to see some history of the race at Wengen. I want to see who's racing, who are the people that make up the teams, are they all national teams or are there independants, who's on what skis, who looked good in warm up, what's the starting order, how was it set, what are the snow and weather conditions like and how does that affect the racing, who's good in these conditions, and is that them or because they're skiing on Atomics, touch on the black art of waxing and thus one of the unknown factors affecting performance (could that be the reason Cuche got an extra 2mph from nowhere on the flat speedgate) Over how long is it run, Is the surface changing - who's monitoring that? snow temp? structure?
computer graphics are key in presenting the calendar, geography, course, gate and traps, teams and skiers etc.
This would make it interesting, something you can follow, provides someone to support out there.
This would expand the audience, this would make people care about it, talk about it, want to watch it, and addictively keep watching it. it would grow, it would be worth more, there'd be more money in it.
There'll be a market for season reviews, crash compilations and so on.
I can't help but but think and refer back to F1 coverage, and the excellent way in which they present what it is, where it is, who's racing for whom, qualifying, grid, strategy, weather, technical etc etc.
You could go inside a team, how do they work and what do they do. Or how are the ski's designed, how do they compare to other disciplines and why, what are the rules and how have they changed. educate the audience.
I want to see F1 quality coverage for the downhill, and it may need to be 2 hours worth, certainly not less than one hour.
If BBC2 is the sports channel, it should be there. You've got four channels now. (and in three years time more than you'll know what to do with and HD)
If it's a couple of hours long, maybe the Slalom and SuperG are briefly reviewed before the downhill coverage, or maybe they're on later coverage. Maybe some lip service to be paid to results of other winter sports, with the occasional clip of something special, breaking a record or breaking a leg, like maybe in a winter sports news section.
I want to watch this program, and I want it to be good. grrr.
Was the red-button coverage as good as this? Because I missed the fact it was on, and will probably forget next week, or have left for my rugby match already. It's skisunday.
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scarr, a point well put
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I saw the live slalom via red button yesterday. The race was good and one of the cameras was situated at such an angle that it looked crazily steep. But the commentator was rubbish, not Matt Chilton but someone I'd never heard of, who didn't seem either enthusiastic or knowledgeable. Well done to the Beeb for showing live ski racing, but like scarr says above, it could be done so much better...
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I am pleased they have brought back more of the racing. That's what I watched Ski Sunday for, long before I clipped into a pair of skis.
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I may be one of a few on here, but i preferred the all round show last year. i like the racing packed in the prog as previous with other features and settle down for an hours entertainment. The High Altitude prog is on a bit late and only half an hour as well.... Ideally, i'd prefer same as last year at 7pm thanks.
Incidentally, i watched the making of the opening sequence on BBC web site. It was about 10mins long and Ed Leigh still managed to get filmed topless !!! It was the same last series, every week he gets his kit off !! iritates me. He's not exactly a model so why do they need to show his white body on the box !! grrrrr.
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You know it makes sense.
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I enjoy seeing racing again. But as scarr points out, it was SO lacking as a television show. Flesh out the coverage with all the things that make snow nuts like us CARE about the sport.
I have a feeling I'm going to dislike High Altitude next week too. It seems to be about everything you can do in the mountains EXCEPT ski...
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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i set this up to record on sky +
what did i get - half an hour of bloody snooker 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Specialman wrote: |
Sideshow_Bob, agree that with the split format, High Altitude would have been a better choice to have on early.
Regarding your point about cars and cycling, the fact of the matter is the beeb DID change the format to create a more broad ranging Ski Sunday and now they've changed it back. It's a move that's going backwards and doesn't show any drive to create unique programming.
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They haven't "changed it back", they have just split it so that the two parts the program had last year are now actually shown as separate programs.
While I like both, and will watch both, I can appreciate taht there are people who aren't interested in the racing, and also people who only want to see the racing. For eitherh of those sets of people, the change to a split program is better, because they can watch just the bits they want.
For the rest of us, the only downside is that we now have to remember to watch or record two slots, rather than one.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Horses for courses (a bit like Skiers for Pistes).
I watched both the Men's Downhil (Sat) and Slalom (Sun) on BBC red button, enjoyed both.
I was able to watch the live racing on TV and use the live data feed from the FIS website (http://www.fis-ski.com/), spit times, speeds, bib numbers, who next, TV breaks etc - great.
Totally agree with the points made by scarr, and the point BG made about the commentators knowledge of this sport and pronouncement of names etc.
My only complaint is that I cannot record the Freeview TV BBC red button stream if I need to, as the BBC do not publish which interactive channel the racing is to be broadcast on (301 or 302 in my case), and if they do I've not found it yet!
Oh yes, and I watched all 18 frames of yesterdays snooker!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Scud, 100% agreed on the red button issue. I'd rather they showed it overnight (like the C4 coverage) so I could PVR it as I'm invariably out when the show (live or recorded) is on.
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nick0861, Did the same myself mate! Felt like doing a 70's rock star with the TV!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Helen Beaumont wrote: |
| I am pleased they have brought back more of the racing. That's what I watched Ski Sunday for, long before I clipped into a pair of skis. |
Well said!! Old school Ski Sunday
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Just caughtt the high altitude thingy on the iplayer (annoyingly only available on the PC, not through the virgin media iplayer). Perhaps it's because I'm just about to go away and was therefore in the mood to have my appetite whetted, but I thought it was an enjoyable 30 min romp through some great scenery with a bit of technical stuff to show the kids.
Find it hard to understand the general mood of complaints on the thread. With the red button (not such a rare thing ?) you can pretty much watch as much ski racing as you choose on the BBC with a bit of snow-adventure porn thrown in for good measure at the end of the weekend. Whatever the minor quibles about content/presentation etc, what's not to like ?
I lood forward to the adventure snooker magazine prog though.
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I was away skiing and missed episode one of High Altitude. It's no longer on the iplayer, I don't understand this torrent business; any idea where I can get a copy?
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