 Poster: A snowHead
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when the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Why do hot dogs come in packs of 10, but hot dog buns come in packs of 8?
To answer this will lead to the path of strap on/enlightenment. 
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veeeight, Mustard or Ketchup?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Spyderman, Mayo
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veeeight, "Mayo" on a hotdog? There is something very, very wrong with you...
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| Early start tomorrow, inspection of a psychiatric ICU. So, on the way from one madhouse to another, I'm off to bed now. Pax, guys? |
Pax eh? so it is okay to use Latin in posts but not acronymns or technical descriptive language 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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are they all scared off by some of the remarks above
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Not scared but cant be a*sed i would suggest. why bother contributing detailed knowledge or debating about how skiing works when you are going to get scolded by the "keep it simple police" if you use acronyms, jargon or skiing related terminolgoy. It gets tedious.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I often disagree with Veeeight but that's just disagreement
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Oh come now, I disagree. There have been more agreements in recent times than disagreements.............
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I think Snowheads would be the losers if the instructors refused to give us the benefit of their considerable experience. I think the thing we mustn't lose sight of is as mentioned above that they receive no payment for the huge amounts of info that they give us. Think how much the books would sell for if they asked us to buy it all in fancy covers!! 
I've learned loads regardless of how its been written and can't wait to get to the slopes to put it all, hopefully, to work. It's very useful in my situation to have read loads of theory, most of which I fully understand. My instructors first language is def. not English as much as mine is not German and although we get along fine I will this year have a far better idea of what he is trying to get me to see in my skiing largely due to what I have read and my session with Spyderman at MK.
Don't run scared instructors - more power to your elbows I say. I think you're all brilliant regardless of your individual styles.
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret, I still believe that there are subtle differences in some threads. In some you(the techy types) are trying to teach us, and we much appreciate that. My skiing has improved enormously since I found snowheads.
In others you are bouncing teaching ideas and finer points off of one another. We less experienced skiers still learn from these threads but is that their primary purpose? and is it a bit selfish of some to grudge that indulgence?
Thanks to all who give advice.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Hello - I am new here. I am a qualified ski instructor and very interested to read what people are thinking. I believe I am a good teacher because I can explain things clearly and try many different ways to explain the same thing if the pupil does nto understand - that means finding new vocabulary, analogies etc - but I have tried to explain some things in writing and that was when i realised how hard it is to write meaningful instruction - you only have to look at the training manual in my system - and others - to see how hard it is to put it in writing. There are many terms used by each different national ski association and often ski instructors think in these terms - terms ofrten not familiar to the pupils. There are some excellent training videos and CD roms but if you took away the images/film etc - I wonder if the commentary would mean much. I have found some good film footage onyoutube of racers and have been able to use this as an example of something I can clearly see and teach but the people I was chatting with don't refer to some elements the way i do and they just could not see it. It is quite challenging - but fun.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Oooo....I like folks that choose an issue that is causing a difference of opinion to be their first post. Brave you krunchie63, I think you should fit in well - welcome to the madhouse from me!
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Wed 14-11-07 14:55; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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krunchie63, sorry, can you run that by me again, didn't quite get it 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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krunchie63, Welcome to Snowheads, and a warm welcome to this part of it. Where do you currently work?
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krunchie63, nice to have you here.
I think that the industry pro's that post regularly on here can regard time spent as good marketing. How many posts tell folk to seek out Lockwoods or Solutions for feet if they need boots. easiski seems to have now taught a huge number of snowHeads and is always cited as a great instuctor.
The site promotes the use of pro's, and most will try to use fellow posters as they feel there's already a connection there.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Pax eh? so it is okay to use Latin in posts but not acronymns or technical descriptive language |
Sad.
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| skimottaret wrote: |
| Pax eh? so it is okay to use Latin in posts but not acronymns or technical descriptive language |
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Eloquent response, just what is "sad" about pointing out your dual standards.
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krunchie63, welcome, I look forward to reading your stuff.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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veeeight, Just looked at the Tesco website. Hot dogs come in 4s, 6s, 8s and 10s. Rolls come in 6s. What does this mean Great Master? 
Hurtle, You did - as you have done to me in the past - give all the Instructors here except easiski a little snide side-swipe there. Fundamentally I agree with you. When then language gets more and more complicated to describe something that is fundamentally a kinaesthetic experience, I think language has failed. But so what - that is half the fun. Talking cowdoo and over-analysing is human behaviour and fun,
I like lurking and looking at the posts in this section but post infrequently here. There are some very interesting discussions, but there are sometimes when an instructor is manifestly talking complete cack, and toys exit the pram when this is pointed out to them (remember "experts never turn to slow down" anyone?). There are also those who aggressively promote the superiority of one instruction style over another - and not everyone who does Kramer's "willy-waving" in here apparently has one. Not just a male trait by any means.
Anyway - carry on everyone!
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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stoatsbrother, 10 Dogs, 8 Buns, leaves 2 left over for other purposes.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Spyderman, not the famous human hot dog impersonation surely...
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little tiger, I was wasn't raising criticism, just hoping to encourage lurking pro's to post.
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You know it makes sense.
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skimottaret,
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Eloquent response, just what is "sad" about pointing out your dual standards.
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(Not sure...or there again...why I'm having to explain every post.) Whilst this is Latin, it is also a term used in - admittedly somewhat archaic - English. My gripe is with jargon, not with all acronyms (though their over-use can be a problem as, notably, in the NHS, as I'm sure that those who have any connection with the NHS will agree) or with technical descriptive language which is clear on its face.
stoatsbrother, First of all, it is, I repeat, provable that I have given credit to all posters whose contributions I have admired and these include a lot more than easiski. It is true, however, that I have found both her and fastman the most consistently clear and I am not the only person to have remarked on that fact.
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there are sometimes when an instructor is manifestly talking complete cack, and toys exit the pram when this is pointed out to them (remember "experts never turn to slow down" anyone?). There are also those who aggressively promote the superiority of one instruction style over another
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Now I know you are not keen on double standards, so why exactly is it OK for you to say this, when it is, give or take, much the same as I (and others) have been saying?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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why I'm having to explain every post
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Not fun is it when someone picks apart your arguements and points out your inconsistencies and double standards.
Try starting a thread of your own sometime, i would be interested to see how you try to keep it simple and on message, how you handle the mickey takers, trolls and respond to sniping.
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easiski. It is true, however, that I have found both her and fastman the most consistently clear
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Our two resident sages have decades of experience teaching skiing. should the rest of us not even attempt to answer questions leave everything to them and assume they are the only ones able to explain things to your exacting standards?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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To be fair (and this is in no way a sleight on easiski) - easiski rarely (now) teaches/coaches high end skiers that will, at some time, require an in-depth understanding of how skiing works, and thus rarely starts such thread that requires such indepth technical language.
And barbed comments such as
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Please - seriously - feel free to ignore this question if it is not possible to explain it to a non-physicist.
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from yourself will hardly endear you to anyone.
Unfortunately on this, and on other skiing forums, I have seen many a good ski pro being deterred or not bothered to post any gems, pearls of wisdoms etc. because of the constant noise/irrelevant whining coming from people who may have their own agenda. And sadly, that is one of the reasons (apart from continually wanting to turn BzK into an extension of the Apres Ski bar) why so few ski pros bother posting on BzK despite easiski's continual recruitment.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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skimottaret,
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Not fun is it when someone picks apart your arguements and points out your inconsistencies and double standards.
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I'm perfectly happy to have an argument and to fight my own corner. It is, I concede, more fun to leaven this with a modicum of humour - the odd bit of sarcasm, or even sniping (which is rife all over snowHeads) are not the most heinous of crimes, unless thoroughly overdone and obviously upsetting for the recipient. However, as has been pointed out to me on more than one occasion, internet forums (oops, a Latin word - well, sort of - sorry) are not good places for really sensitive flowers.
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veeeight, Fair comment, although I do have the occasional junior racer (and Little Tiger to deal with.
However, I do really believe that it's possible to explain skiing in simple terms. It's possible to understand the physics on a simple global level without getting into arguments about the specific meaning in physics of particular words (which may have another meaning in real life). having said that, some terms are used as shorthand (ILE etc) and so long as these terms are explained I don't see a problem either way. At the end of the day most Snowheads are recreational skiers, so it's useful for them to have more theory, but it should (and I believe can) be discussed in simple terms.
Sadly, advancing years do generally mean a reduction in the skiing level of one's students - when I'm 70 I may be limited to adult beginners - who knows, but I'll hopefully still be able to offer something.
I agree with you though, that many of the instructors on here are probably put off by what is seen as 'slagging', and therefore why should they make the effort? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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veeeight,
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And barbed comments such as
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Please - seriously - feel free to ignore this question if it is not possible to explain it to a non-physicist.
from yourself will hardly endear you to anyone.
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Oh dear, my powers of expression are obviously highly deficient. I intended this with absolutely no sarcasm - I am not a physicist and was attempting to acknowledge that the physics involved might be beyond me. I was just hoping that there might be a way of explaining it that might not be beyond me, though was unsure. And I'd like to say, once again, that a 'private' discussion between pros at the high end of technical arguments is something on which I would take care not to trespass. But BZK isn't just for pros, is it? It would be a bit like my having an argument with someone about the law against perpetuities on here, wouldn't it? That's apart from the fact that it would bore everyone to death in about two seconds, of course!
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easiski, please understand that I mean no malice nor any sort of talking down on your clearly great instruction! Although I get the feeling that I now have a (more) black marks against me from the easiski fan club!
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Hurtle,
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I'm perfectly happy to have an argument and to fight my own corner.
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You seem to be MOST happy having arguments and fighting your own corner. "Persecuted Pedant" is an odd moniker and a badge you seem to wear with honour.
Good luck to you but don't be surprised when the pool of people discussing topics in threads that you participate in inevitably dwindles
I prefer to debate and learn from constructive discussions as opposed to being sarcastic or sniping, If that makes me a sensitive flower so be it.
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| a 'private' discussion between pros at the high end of technical arguments is something on which I would take care not to trespass. But BZK isn't just for pros, is it? It would be a bit like my having an argument with someone about the law against perpetuities on here, wouldn't it? That's apart from the fact that it would bore everyone to death in about two seconds, of course! |
So because BZK isn't just for pros are you saying that a high level discussion using the kind of technical jargon and shorthand that all professions have should be subject to criticism from other people, and perhaps not even allowed at all. I find that an utterly bizarre and somewhat distasteful notion. I couldn't care less who 'talks' to who, in what fashion and on what subject. Just so long as it is being done in a respectful manner why should it matter to anyone else. We're not forced to read and understand every thread, so if there's something you're not interested in or don't understand there will undoubtedly be other threads where time can be spent more profitably.
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But BZK isn't just for pros, is it?
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No, it isn't.
But - specific threads in BzK may be pitched at a level appropriate to someone say wishing to sit his/her instructors exams this season, and therefore the technical language and terminology in that specific thread *will* be used (primarily so that they can converse with their examiners intelligently, and secondarily not to dumb it down) - in which case bleats of "please dumb it down for me" may not be welcome at that specific moment in time.
There is nothing stopping you starting another thread asking for an explaination of a concept being discussed, however.
The other thing that is highly irritating to many on here is the assertion that the ski instructors on here that mangle the techcy discussions must, by implication, be crap instructors as they are incapable of explaining things simply (like easiski does  ).
Without wishing to wander down the path of psychlogical profiling, and seeing as you've not met many of those that mangle the technical jargon in real life, for a real life lesson, I simply cannot see how an assertion can possibly hold true.
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skimottaret,
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I prefer to debate and learn from constructive discussions as opposed to being sarcastic or sniping
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Fair enough, a perfectly valid viewpoint.
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