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Tignes and The Espace Killy 2014/15 (Useful Links Post 1)

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stewart woodward wrote:
@chocksaway,

The piste to La Daille & your 'patch' of ice were caused by a burst water pipe supplying the snow cannons. I am surprised they didn't have the area fenced off wink


Is that the reason all mountain toilets were closed? we were there last week and had to ski back into le lac to find a toilet that was open. caused the ladies in the group a few anxious moments..
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A bit of a 'Brucie Bonus' day today Very Happy Very Happy

The weather forecast was cloudy with snow showers & instead we got sunshine & a very nice alpine day Very Happy Very Happy If it is not going to snow lets have sunshine & good viz.
It is still low season so the pistes are quiet & lift queues no existent Very Happy

Hopefully a little snow later in the week but the forecast seems to be changing daily Puzzled
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Indeed! The microlights were flying all day - a good sign that the weather was OK. Most of the easily accessible off piste is now tracked out - but there are huge tracts of untracked up the glacier due to the repairs taking place on the cable car. The bottom station now looks like a scrapyard as all the running gear has been removed. Might be time to take the skins up their to have a go at it!

We were only about 30 miles from a reasonable snowfall today - the Préalpes got up to 30cm last night - on the other hand the sunny patch in which we sat today was very small having just looked at the satellite animation. If you check the surface pressure charts they are a mess with fronts and troughs all over the place - so any forecast this week is likely to be little more than a horoscope wink
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but there are huge tracts of untracked up the glacier due to the repairs taking place on the cable car. The bottom station now looks like a scrapyard as all the running gear has been removed. Might be time to take the skins up their to have a go at it


Steady on! I'll be back in resort in a few days time if you can wait.
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Well the weather forecast for a cloudy morning and snowy(ish) afternoon was right for half of the Espace Killy - but not for us on the western side. We embarked for Le Fornet in poorish light, avoided the preps for the Europa Cup in La Daille and jumped on the bus. At the top of the Solaise the force of the south-easterly became apparent Shocked especially as we went over the 'up and over'. Unfortunately the Col Pomas are broken at the moment - so to get to the Glacier you have to use the tediously slow Vallon Gondola. Still we made it and, as ever, the snow on the Pissalais Glacier was superb. However with the wind chill it was probably something like -16C. So after a couple of runs it was time for a bowl of goulash soup in the Cascades Restaurant. Suitably defrosted we did another 3 laps but the light levels dropped rapidly and it started to snow moderately. As we came home it seemed that the snow was following us but no further than the Toviere Valley Sad . So tomorrow may be another day in Fornet as there is a local phenomenon with a south easterly that means Fornet can have 20-30cm and Le Lac has 2 or 3.

Oh and there is now a big plastic red King Kong at the top of the Olympique Gondola - by the same artist that did the controversial Communist Superman that lasted less than a week. It is quoted as being worth €120,000 on Radio Val. Its quite good to look at and take pictures of the kids in front of but to this Yorkshireman it looks little different to something you would see in a Maccy D's Playpen. So if I don't appear tomorrow you will know my career as an art critic has been terminated with immediate effect.

Sunny periods tomorrow and a bit warmer and less wind. Then now it looks mainly sunny until Sat night when there may be some more snow. Yesterday's caveat still applies though.
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So tomorrow may be another day in Fornet as there is a local phenomenon with a south easterly that means Fornet can have 20-30cm and Le Lac has 2 or 3.

Well that phenomenon lead to a PHENOMENAL day!! We set off for Fornet and the weather did not look great. But we persevered and at 11am there was enough light to ski off piste under the Cascades Express but not to do Pays Desert without too much risk. It transpired that they had had about 20cm of snow - some ridges were still bare but there was good pitches of soft snow up to knee deep - first time this season. After lunch (early and repeat of yesterday) the weather Gods smiled and the cloud parted and it was sunglasses and Pays Desert time Very Happy Very Happy

After a quick transceiver check we set off on the trek to be rewarded with fantastic snow and few people and at times it was thigh if not waste deep in some of the more protected areas (less than 30 degs of course wink . It is the first time this season I have looked down to find I had no legs. Well it was so good we had to repeat- which was just as good and still fresh tracks. After that it was time for home as the sun started dropping, Trolles seemed quite hard tonight - can't imagine why Puzzled

Weather tomorrow will be sunny periods, followed by a good start on Sat and then it all becomes very unpredictable, as the experts at Meteo France have a confidence level of 2/5 for Monday I will leave it and say - there will be some weather.

Just cooking Jamie's Fish Pie for the mates - it will down be known as Jamie's 1000 utensil Fish Pie You can tell he has someone to do the washing up. Shocked
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Another glorious day in the Alps - sun from wall to wall and quite cold (which given the forecast for today last weekend was a bonus...............). Today was a more local day - great Pistes and once we got up to the Panoramic restaurant (Vanoise is still broken along from the Cable Car from the storms weekend before last) we hit the off piste around Genepy and to the right of Leisse. Down Genepy - which is relatively easy - but navigationally you need to know what you are doing - there was some great pitches of untracked snow about 10 cm deep - very flattering. The forecast wind started to pick up in the afternoon as we put in another set of fresh tracks. As we came home the new Bun J Ride was actually being used - basically it is a cross between a ski jump and a bungee jump but at €65 a pop it seems a bit on the pricey side (say when compared for a 15 min trip in a microlight for €70)

As for the weather - tomorrow there will be sunny periods less so in the afternoon - same on Sunday and then it starts to go downhill with cloud and snow showers. The forecasts are currently for 'tempestuous storms and abundant snow' on Thu/Fri - but with a freezing level which could mean sleet initially in the lower bits of the area. I know folks are getting terribly excited on other threads - I refer the learned gentleman to the first line of todays report!! (But it is looking quite promising and if it comes off as the current forecast it may even be biblical).

Flying tomorrow? I foresee few problems based on the current forecasts - the odd bit of sleet in Scotland and perhaps a light snow shower or 2 over here late afternoon. For the roads a bit busier than last week with 16000 vehicles going down and 23 000 coming up (between Moutiers and Albert-town) - so it will be slowish between resort and Moutiers between 8 and 12. You may hit the traffic controls on the way up in the afternoon. Clearly Eurotunnel is still having problems.
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I'm off to Val on Sunday, if the predicted forecasts actualy happen does that mean we're basically not going to be able to ski thurs/fri/sat?
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Tange wrote:
I'm off to Val on Sunday, if the predicted forecasts actualy happen does that mean we're basically not going to be able to ski thurs/fri/sat?


No.
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The forecast changes with each run of the models (every 6 hours) the very latest has reduced the amounts of snow, but my comments were based on the 12Z run which showed the eye of the storm passing over the EK. At that moment in time they forecast over 2M of snow in 48 hours with winds in excess of 100km per hour which would (IMHO) would have shut the resorts, the roads and the inter village footpaths but it is still only a LONG range forecast. It may happen, we may get half of it (which would be the preferable option) or we may get nothing at all. At the moment any forecast beyond a couple of days is suspect. Meteorology is not a binary science despite what many apps would lead you to believe.
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A sunny Saturday, but cold and a stiff breeze above about 2500m and as predicted it has clouded over this afternoon and from the radar a few flocons are on their way. The pistes were busier than normal for a Saturday, perhaps the day visitors are coming further up the hill than normal. The pistes were very hard in most places which made it quite tricky - glad it was Saturday! Unfortunately, we saw the aftermath of an accident just after the tunnel in La Daille - the helo was just arriving - hope everything is OK, but it did look serious.

I stopped after at lunchtime for some admin (and after an excellent night in the Queue de Cochon last night - quite how I ended up jiving with two of the TDC instructors will probably remain a mystery Shocked )

Sunny cold and very windy tomorrow, followed by sunny periods on Monday, the deterioration then continues through the week, the tempest for Thursday has toned itself down - though it is still forecast to bring a lot of snow. As it doesn't leave Newfoundland until tomorrow there is a long way to go yet.....

Flying tomorrow should present no particular difficulties - a bit wet up north but expect a bumpy arrival/departure over here.
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Snowing nicely now. Let's hope it keeps going till morning
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Still 20% of EK is closed according to VDI website. How unusual is that as this stage of the season ? Is it some of the lower runs like Sache and piste perdue?
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Its mainly the steeper runs that were either in the sun in the early part of the season (like Camapnules, a couple off the top of Palafour) or the very steep ones like Grizzly. Also the Santons, L and Epaule de Charvet (though I think that opened this afty) which bizarrely had a mix of lack of snow and avalanche risk from above.

Sache is open, Piste Perdue is no longer a piste but would need a lot more snow before it ceases to be a rock climbing exped.

Oh - and we have lost a couple up the GM because the Cable Car is having major repairs after the screaming gale of 2 weekends ago.

Some of the Pomas are closed because there is not enough snow to prevent it becoming an aerial experience Shocked

It is quite unusual - but that may all be fixed later in the week...............

Had a couple of cm tonight.
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We are flying out tomorrow . Other than the top of Grand Motte being out of action , I guess the biggest disappointment will be runs like Fontaine Froide and Santons being closed , as Face will be the only way back to town (other than La D ) and tends to get v messy at the end of the day.
Hey ho ... will have a good time whatever , nice sharp edges the first few days ... hopefully the planks may make an appearance later in the week

Very Happy Very Happy
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Fontaine Froide (and Epaule du Charvet) are open so you can ski back that way.

Santons being closed is always proper order
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Still snowing this morning in Val D. No idea how much might have fallen overnight. It's been light but steady although it seems to have just got a bit heavier.
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Is there any indication of how long the GM cable car is likely to be out of action?? I'm off to the area next Saturday for the first time and was kind of hoping to get up there. I think it's my old mountaineering background - I like to get to the highest point I can of whatever ski area I'm in, irrespective of the runs
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@TommyJ, I will try and find out - but its was looking more dismantled than mantled on Thursday. Unlikely to be up there today as its -12 on the balcony and its breezy and cloudy up there. You could always skin up - its only 433 metres up from the top of the train wink
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Just been for a quick blast before lunch Very Happy

It's cold & sunny but the pistes are just awesome Very Happy Very Happy The Cable car is still not running but as chocksaway says skinning is always an option wink It might be worth the skin up as the pistes are still being prepared and look awesome.
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Funny old day - it was supposed to be sunny but half the day was spent in thin cloud and a few snowflakes. As SW said the pistes around the village were great with about 5cm of new snow - until we crested Toviere to find 10-15 cm on Creux - I can only think a stubborn little cloud had parked itself over the Tov valley, after we had finished with fresh tracks under the Mont Blanc we went to Grand Pre where there was only 5cm Puzzled . The runs down into La Daille were a tad tricky - and there was a lot of people sliding around at the top of OK Orange - beware yesterday's Europa Cup piste - a few cm of snow does not make it skiable for mere mortals Shocked

We should see the sun in the morning - it will then cloud over for light snow on Tuesday mixed on Wed and then...........how many cms/metres??
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Should I start getting worried or prepare for disruptions? Im flying into Chambery mid morning on Saturday before traveling to Tignes, I can see from the snow reports (I know these are very unpredictable Sad ) that the forecast has changed again from the heavy dump that we're supposed to get at the end of the week to it being a continuous fall from Thursday.

Hopefully as said in the forums earlier we'll just get the snow without the high winds so it doesn't effect things too much but I cant help get a little jittery this close to leaving! Shocked
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My weather app predicts heavy snow for Geneva on Saturday pm but maybe a lull am so you may miss the worst of it Chambery, defo some weather though for the backend of this week throughout Northern Europe
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January weather has finally arrived rolling eyes

Very cold temperatures, slight snowfall all day & squeaky snow Very Happy My fingers felt like they were going to drop off today & I think a face mask maybe required tomorrow Puzzled

Everyone is talking about the forecasted 'storm' later this week and cannot make their minds up whether they would prefer a steady snow fall over a few days or a massive dump Puzzled Hopefully only a few more days to go before we find out Puzzled
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Everyone is talking about the forecasted 'storm' later this week and cannot make their minds up whether they would prefer a steady snow fall over a few days or a massive dump Puzzled Hopefully only a few more days to go before we find out Puzzled


Go for the compromise - massive dump over a few days. Razz
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Worry about them no. Prepare in whatever way you can, for sure.
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My fingers felt like they were going to drop off today & I think a face mask maybe required tomorrow

Danielle (Aspen) did not believe me about the cold until I grabbed her with my gloves wink . I shall look out for Hannibal Woodward tomorrow.

Today lasted until lunchtime on the slopes - the cloud arrived a bit earlier than forecast and it has been snowing gently since about 11am and looks like it will continue through the night with somewhere in the order of 5cm forecast. Still no forecast on the Cable car but Tigski and I did find a big lump of it near the bottom of the Tichot lift on a trailer. I am guessing these bits are bespoke - so some fettling to do yet. (He may pop on board with a photo later....)

Tomorrow will start with light snow and then hopefully there ill be sunny periods - but it will be very windy at altitude especially in the morning - may be a day for the trees. Wednesday will start fine and then the degradation will start - there is going too be significant amounts of snow between Thu and Sun - each time the weather elves throw the dice (every 6 hours) different numbers come up - but I think we can safely say that next week we will have more snow than this week.

@Mtaylor, From what I can see Chambery will be at or around the snowline early on Saturday, by lunchtime it will be below it. As yet there are no detailed forecasts of visibility and cloudbase which are likely to be more important. As Layne says it might be worth having a couple of sarnies in your hand baggage as you may get delayed but the snow amounts are not going to be biblical (at the moment!) and, for sure, the Police are going to be much harsher in enforcing the rules of the road and there is unlikely to be freezing rain. So if anyone is driving this weekend don't even think about coming south of Dijon without snowchains. As ever there will be a more detailed airport forecast here on Friday afternoon - to allow a bit of expectation management.
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As promised by Chocksaway, chewed up running gear.

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Wow, what caused the wheel to smash? Wind can't surely do that to metal Puzzled
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Wind can do whatever it wants! Immensely powerful.

Flight on Saturday into Geneva, with a PM transfer. Getting a bit nervous looking at the weather reports.
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I've been in Val D a couple of days now and the biggest problem I'm finding is icy pistes. Some of them have a sprinkling of snow on them but underneath is almost solid ice. This afternoon I had a fall on one of them and found it hard to stop sliding until I managed to catch some snow with one of my skis.
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@Tigski, that's a big chunk out of the wheel and bar thingy. No wonder it's out of action, must be lot's of other damage.
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Wow, what caused the wheel to smash? Wind can't surely do that to metal Puzzled


Obviously I don't know the answer, but suspect the cable somehow caused the damage. The metal bars on top of the wheels seemed to be there to keep everything in line and are not part of the system.
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To quote Radio Val - today the World is upside down - there was 15ch of snow in Bourg overnight and about 5 up here - so there was a few pretty lines to be drawn on pistes dusted with snow - but that did not last long. It was a day spent chasing the sun - with only limited success as the clouds appeared at all levels and above 2600m they were doing about 30mph Brrrrrrrrr. So we had a go down to Boisses (foggy and still - but lots of people), then Grand Pre - a bit of sun and great pistes and then La Daille - much improved on recent days and a bit of fog.nThe bit of snow has helped the pistes but not as much as the amounts forecast for the next week or so - luckily it is spread out which will allow the pisteurs to keep us safe and the pistie beaties to so their stuff though I suspect Friday morning will be slow start. Tomorrow will start with sunny periods, clouding over later with wind increasing. Then it looks like 4 days of winds (high on Thu and Fri) and snow Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy After that it still looks unsettled. Clearly there is a potential for a slow drive up the hill from Albertville on Saturday.
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Been here since Saturday. It has been snowing most of that time (lightly). But there must be a cumulative total of 20cm in 4 days. Off-piste needs much more cover which should come this weekend, but it could be precarious as it will be landing on top of a 50cm base which appears to comprise 25 cm normal snow overlying 25cm of sugar
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Can anyone on the ground tell me if Santons is open yet. Call me sadistic but I love the gun-barrel...
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@Timg60, At 1200 today no. But Epaule de Chavet was - if you are brave.
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@Timg60, At 1200 today no. But Epaule de Chavet was - if you are brave.


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Beautiful morning with just a few high level clouds Very Happy The lull before the storm Puzzled Puzzled
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Any news on the cable car? There's no mention of it doing a Google
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