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meh, i guess the whippets are better than nothing for self arrest (assuming you don't impale yourself) but i'd see them as much more useful on the way up. but what do i know eh?
this is what i mean about steep skiing:
(image culled from www.pistehors.com)
a boarder (assuming he can get purchase) can just stand on his edge rather than almost performing the splits like this geezer
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Arno, Of course XDLR would have pointed it over the crux and aired it out 
I thought whippets' primary purpose was emergency one off deployment for self arrest. For me this would obviously be balanced out by sideeffect no 1 - stabbing mayself in the eye in a no threat gaper fall.
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Urrm, he's hardly performing the splits there! It looks a lot more balanced than standing on one edge as well. Also once a boarder is on they're heel-side don't the ice axes become much less useful and harder to use?
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As a matter of interest what does the skier do from the position in the photo above? If he turns the axe is then on the valley side. Is he side stepping a crux?
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Arno, that's a doozy of an assumption though...
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hey - just reporting something someone said to me which IMV doesn't sound completely ridiculous. if anyone can confirm or deny from their own experience i'd be interested to hear about it
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Jeeeeesus, that guy in the photo is somehow standing on a vertical cliff!
I'm scared just looking at it!
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| As a matter of interest what does the skier do from the position in the photo above? If he turns the axe is then on the valley side. Is he side stepping a crux? |
I'd like to know that too. Doesn't exactly look a good position to get a turn in.
In answer to the snowboarding question, I still see loads of the b*ggers about, but they're not all spotty teenagers these days. It seems all the cool kids are on twin tips in the park/off-piste.
I'm sure there'll still be plenty of snowboarders about in ten year's time.
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If the intention is to self-belay whilst side slipping/stepping down I can see it would be marginally safer with two axes on a snowboard as you will always be able to make two points of contact whilst moving or three whilst stationary whereas the skier will have 1.5 or 2.5 thanks to using one axe and giving a highly inaccurate 0.5 to the uphill ski. As soon as you are turning and ending up on the heel-side though it's going to get very awkward to get one axe in properly let alone two. There is a segment of Jeremy Jones in Deeper where he has pretty much this issue without axes coming up to an ab-station or icy crux in, I think, Chamonix.
Here in Iceland snowboarding still seems as popular as ever in the resorts and very similar to Scotland in that regard.
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I was wondering if his backpack contained a parachute !
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In answer to the OP question the answer has to be a resounding NO. In general and in the outside eye snowboarding is still and will always be more cooler. If you tell a non-snowsport person you just returned from the alps they will automatically say "oh you ski?" as I always say "no I'm a snowboarder" the look and pereception changes. I am now a rebel, like a biker gang member.
freestyle skiing has become more popular and where those kids would have taken up boarding they can now continue skiing in the park etc. I watched a group of freestyle skiers in tignes park one afternoon on the tignes late deal. They were dressed like boarders and were french which pretty much says it all, if they were brits I reckon they would have been boarders. I have to say they did look cool.
Last edited by So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much  on Thu 21-04-11 13:37; edited 1 time in total
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You know it makes sense.
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Gainz, You're correct. Snowboard is here for good which is a great thing.
I think people are very wrong to think one sport is "cooler" than the other. It's the person whos cooler not whats on their feet. Thats why I love the word "freeride" rather than freeski or freeboard.
As a rule i find that most people who think one sport is not cool is either stuck in a 90s time warp or can't do the other sport. All the pro's I know have repsect for the riders and don't give a toss whats on their feet.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Dot., totally.
Skiers who habitually whinge about 'snowboarders' plural, are dicks. Ditto the opposite.
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Poster: A snowHead
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don't know about snowboarding, but the 'Chris Reynard ate my hamster' thread will still be going strong
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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SMALLZOOKEEPER,
thats Jerome Ruby and Dede Rhem, first descent of the N Face of the Triolet -
pity Dede is dead though, as is Marco Seffredi - both steep snowboard pioneers.......
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, photoshopped? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Be interesting to see what the next breakthrough innovation will be in skiing or boarding equipment. There's no doubt to my mind that depite Mervin's best efforts snowboard kit sells primarily on fashion (& not a little of built in obsolesence) while over the past decade skiing has been successful in establishing a run of equipment innovation from width/shape/rocker to slackcountry bindings which has changed some of the rules of the game. Maybe boarding's real proposition is its simplicity - 1 board can do justy about anything, boots are practical for hiking etc.
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fatbob, I think the most telling thing about that Tour Ronde segment in Deeper is who's really the best freerider out there - clue, it's not Jeremy Jones!
Big Xavier just looks cool as a cucumber while JJ is freaking out. (No disrespect meant to Jeremy Jones BTW, just a wee lesson in letting the French boys take you out on their home patch!).
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stevomcd,totally. 
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SMALLZOOKEEPER, is it because you do XDL's boots but JJ hasn't benefitted from your magical powerz yet?
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Arno, watch this space doin' some shizzle with Deeluxe at the moment will include Xav.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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For a while, it might have been uncool for kids to ski...now I would say it is more balanced with it being just as cool to ski or board. While the boarding trends might not be as favorable as they once were, I don't see it completely dying anytime soon.
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You know it makes sense.
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Also in that terrain pre-releasing is more dangerous than not releasing in a fall as you'd probably die anyway. Locking the toes out at least makes that much, much harder.
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Noone looks smoother on the steeps than Xavier De Le Rue. Whatever you think about snowboarding he has proved it is at least the equal of skiing steeps. Last year he was way ahead of the skiers at the FWT final in Verbier.
Arno, do you have the pistehors link to the guy on the Crusairs?
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While there are obviously many exceptions to every rule and as a huge generalisation, over the last couple of seasons it seems to me that the the standard of skiing generally seems to be higher than that of snowboarding generally. Don't know what that means but I'd be happy to wager that since the skiing industry has learnt massively from the counter-culture/tech influence of snowboarding (which is basically skating on snow) it's set fair for the future as the majority of local groms now want to ski. Someone mentioned Whistler earlier as a place where groms are still down with boards, but this wouldn't be my experience of wider BC by any means.
I don't believe this is cyclical as I think skiing has recaptured the 'cool' cache it was missing for a decade or so thanks to snowboarding, but nor do I believe snowboarding will disappear forever; there's always be the the hardcore, Japan (although a very fad-driven and fickle nation in terms of action sports) and English punters to keep it alive!
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While there are obviously many exceptions to every rule and as a huge generalisation, over the last couple of seasons it seems to me that the the standard of skiing generally seems to be higher than that of snowboarding generally. Don't know what that means but I'd be happy to wager that since the skiing industry has learnt massively from the counter-culture/tech influence of snowboarding (which is basically skating on snow) it's set fair for the future as the majority of local groms now want to ski. Someone mentioned Whistler earlier as a place where groms are still down with boards, but this wouldn't be my experience of wider BC by any means.
I don't believe this is cyclical as I think skiing has recaptured the 'cool' cache it was missing for a decade or so thanks to snowboarding, but nor do I believe snowboarding will disappear forever; there's always be the the hardcore, Japan (although a very fad-driven and fickle nation in terms of action sports) and English punters to keep it alive! |
i'd tend to agree with most of this, as when i started skiing in the late 70's early 80's it was very much all stiff upper lips and "look away martha, scud". i think snowboarding gave the impression that the great unwashed could take part, even if the many hate the idea.
as i consider myself a pleb i think it feels great seeing skiing being more fun. however the one issue i can see is the lack of women. most recent trips ive been on have been mostly guys. apart from eastern eu where i'd say it's 60/40.
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Snowboarding has definitely gone totally mainstream as evidenced by the huge* number of overweight British mums and dads in too-tight boarding clothes, helmets and sunglasses I have seen boarding in Chamonix these past weeks. I doubt that spells the demise of the sport though, with the growing number of boarders continuing to push the limits of boarding in the park and backcountry.
I'd say that Gainz hit the nail on the head when he talked about the 'coolness' factor of the two sports. These days, it is easy to mistake a young skier for a young boarder - clothing wise - until you look at the boots. Now that skiing is cool again, it is more attractive to the image-conscious and peer-pressured teenager than it must have been not so long ago.
As a skier, I have to say that I really enjoy watching skilled boarders work their way down the mountain. Boarding, when done well, has a graceful aesthetic in the body motion that you don't see in skiing.
As a side note, I have lost count of the number of teenagers and early-twenties steezy types on monoskis in the past month. Is there a resurgence?
* i.e. a lot more than I've seen in the other mere two seasons I've been skiing.
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moffatross, totally my own hungover fault I think. 
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If it gets scary as hell double pole plant to jump turn is a nice getout.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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| HAving lived in a relatively snowboard free place like Verbier for so long I was hoping to see the end of snowboarding. Living on the West coast of Canada you soon realize snowboarding will never die. The kids here still think it's cool. |
Crap! Cool in Canada means it's officially dead .... Guess I'll have to stick to Tele ... Just got to nail it switch.
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rayscoops, I don't quite agree with you. As someone who learned to board first, my experience was that learning to board was very easy as far as the basics are concerned. It's harder to progress to a good intermediate level though. Skiing follows the opposite pattern, in that it's harder to get the basics, but easier to progress once you do. At least thats my experience.
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trying to swap your pole and axe over. Actually it would be sketchy as 
Plus he's got the Dynafit binding toes locked on touring mode. Is he thinking of skinning up that scarp or just not worrying so much about his knees ? 
another one of my attempts at irony was lost in internet translation. 