 Poster: A snowHead
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hi people. we are due to fly from heathrow to geneva on the 19th of jan, there has been confirmed a 48hr strike on the 17th for the third strike but what i am trying to find out is that seeing as our flight is at 11 am 19th therefor after the 48hrs will we still have our seats reserved on the flight or will people from cancelled flights get them. thanks russ 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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It is understandable to be angry about the disruption, but we should remember that many of the rights we now take for granted were gained by workers prepared to strike. Strikers often went hungry.
I suspect this is really a problem of poor management. Well managed companies don't strike.
The poor state of management at Heathrow was well demonstrated during the recent fog fiasco: bbc.co.uk, telegraph.co.uk.
I particularly liked this quote from the BBC article: "The fog is not in the sky so much as in the minds of the BA directors," said David Ranan, 60, whose flight from Heathrow to Munich was cancelled."
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Still no settlement after negotiations broke down yesterday. More details on BBC News website . Interestingly the Trades Unions negotiators say there is still time to reach a settlement, suggesting we can remain hopeful 
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Jonpim, So the fact that final salary pensions have proved ruinous to companies, and most have now closed theirs is purely irrelevant.  My view is that BAA are being generous in only closing the scheme to new joiners and not closing the scheme entirely. In saying this I have no love lost for BAA, I think that they're taking the wee wee out of necessary upgrading of Heathrow which they're refusing to do now that they have been refused increased landing charges.
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Jonpim, Can I assume you've not got a flight impacted by the strikes?
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gibogod69, I think what will happen is that you will still have your seats on your flight but the 1000's of other peeps on their 100's of other flights will be being re-scheduled before and arouond your flight meaning you are likely not to take off on time. The airport will of course be bedlam too. I'm coming back into stansted late on the 19th and am very nervous about having to spend a night in turin airport (although at least it's a nice place to spend the time...)
My own view (biased in the way eddyr points out) is that final salary pensions have proved unsupportable since the tax changes made to pension schemes made by a certain Mr. G Brown. To scale these schemes down by closing them them to new members but allowing existing members to work out is the most reasonable solution.
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red 27, Thats what Im kind of thinking will be the case, those flights outside the strikes should be OK but delayed and a nightmare in an airport of doom (whichever one it might be).
Annoying should it be very delayed, whole plan would have allowed me to get to the resort late afternoon, enough time to unpack, have a wonder and pick up gear etc in no big rush....
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i don't understand why BAA workers are striking? are they scared that the axe may extend to their final salary pensions?! i have the luxury of flying through 2 BAA airports on the 9th of January with £1200 worth of skis and boots in my bag and if they do not come out the other end i will be a very unhappy boy indeed.
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eddyr, At the risk of tempting fate, I think it's very unlikely the dispute will last until the 3rd strike date on the 17th. If the first one goes ahead, effectively closing the UK to business travel due to problems at foreign-owned ex nationalised airports it will be a HUGE political situation, and in those cases something somehow always seems to get sorted...
It's an awkward situation for BAA as most staff involved are minimum wage but maximum power.... how I bet they wish they could de-unionise the workforce.
I sometimes think it must be tough for those security guys earning buttons an hour watching all us skiers/sunbirds/businessmen galavanting off all day, every day, and I'm pretty sure I feel their resentment directly as they curtly exercise their power to make me wait for ages/remove my shoes/ turn out my rucksack etc etc...
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Rossfra8, know the feeling, 2 pairs of skis, 3 months worth of clothes, boots, everything....
if that dosnt arrive in Canada at the same time I do... to say i would be unhappy would be the understatement of the year!
Still, fingures crossed it still wont happen.....
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the_fatadder, 3 months worth of clothes for me aswell.. when you going? you doing a course?
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This is a comment made by an ex BAA employee on PPRuNe which sums up the situation.
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....why should an existing worker be concerned about the terms and conditions of any prospective new employee? Well, actually, there is already a problem between T's & C's for staff who joined the Company after 1997, when they changed for the worse. Attempts to harmonise the pre- and post '97 T's & C's were still stalled when I left.
I think that the strike isn't about protecting members who don't even exist yet, but more about the 'thin end of the wedge' and people generally being very dissatisfied with the present senior management since a major shake-up which actually started well before Ferrovial were even on the horizon. The Spanish consortium have really just inherited this situation but it is also fair to say that they expect a better financial performance than BAAplc were achieving, which was lack-lustre to say the least. Otherwise, why would the BAAplc shareholders be so pleased to get rid of their holdings?
The above is just a personal view from a former employee, not much of an axe to grind really, so long as my pension doesn't go down the tubes! |
Ferrovial didn't consult the Unions before it decided to impose the change to the T&C for new recruits. I know a number of people who work for the BAA and what they are expected to cover in a day is frightening - managers now have about three jobs each, due to the way staff numbers have been reduced.
I'm not in favour of a strike as it will cause chaos and I'm flying through Glasgow and Heathrow in Feb  .
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Hope it gets sorted soon. For everyones sake.
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You know it makes sense.
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Fingers crossed - they get their pension and we all get to go skiing! 
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Poster: A snowHead
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bug, spent all morning re-booking from the 7th to 6th January.
Still I'm getting an extra days ski-ing so it can't be all bad.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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bladeskier, Lucky thing, don't think work would let me get away with any more holiday than I've already booked!
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norris, they are getting their pension anyways 
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1st strike just been called off but no progress towards a resolution?!
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RDSpearing, er... shurely shome mishtake?
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RDSpearing, are you joking me? how f*cking good is that... lol
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No just heard it on Sky News
Talks are progressing looks like a goodwill gesture
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RDSpearing, im glad theyre going well, deffinately lifted a huge weight off my shoulders.
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As has been said previously the credability of the whole country is at stake, you only have to look at the French strikes and the cost to their economy to understand why this was unlikely to ever go ahead................ Idle threats???
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RDSpearing, seemed to be a very real threat, BAA would never have let it happen on the scale they want to.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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FenlandSkier, Yes I read that earlier, good on him!!
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Spoke to someone working at Gatwick over the weekend they believe it is all bluster; and strike will not go ahead, let us wait and see!! Security staff can be trained better and replaced with more professional people. The problem is the fire dept, these guys can ground aircraft.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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made my day that has....
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I have just heard that the strikes are now off, as a deal has been agreed.
Good news!
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Yes, I just looked on BBC news - all 3 strikes now off. Phew! 
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There's echo here!!
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Contact was right. Now the lottery numbers please!
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Kruisler, "I only have 20 days holiday a year so every day counts, but at the end of the day I have an extra day skiing!! "
should be 24 days from now on - stat minimum i believe 
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now to try to get a refund from easyjet, but I don't really mind, its a big relief. Do you think they will call off the run on the pound against the €uro next
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Martin Nicholas, like the blog.... Clive has chosen a very amusing selection of beverages to wash down the cornflakes.
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