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easiski, that makes me feel better  So "old school" technique must really date back to the 1970s or I suspect much earlier, anyway well before my time. But certainly not the early 90s as many people now assume. Not even the mid 80s for that matter, unless I was using cutting edge technique back then!
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really liked Fastman's contrast of "pre-engagement pivot" vs end of turn stepping to tighten the turn. Makes perfect sense to me.
I would add though that a couple of weeks I was playing on my "new" second hand bargains (184cm Atomic REXs - 23m radius) rather than my everyday skis (174cm Stormrider XL - 18m radius) and there were a couple of moments when I misjudged how tight a turn I could carve and ended up reverting to a stepping technique to avoid hitting frozen debris at the edge of the piste! There's something to said for a technique that allows you to correct things AFTER to you've realised there's a problem...
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jedster,
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| There's something to said for a technique that allows you to correct things AFTER you've realised there's a problem... |
That'll be one of those "emergency actions" referred to by EasiSki.
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yessss
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I don't really understand why carving is the be all and end all of skiing. Whats wrong with skidding, side slipping, weddling, jet turns and jump turns, particulary if they are done elegantly ? Surely they add depth and variety to the sport ?
A lot of the places I seem to ski aren't really that suitable for carved turns unless you can manage controlled very short radius fall line carves which as far as I can tell are very rare.
A lot of the intinery runs and tight lines where the skiable surface is perhaps only a few metres wide demand skidded turns. Very steep narrow decents, or more commonly poor quality pistes with rocks, ice or congestion and other hazrads also require tight precise turns and generally those are not skiable through pure carving.
Or have i missed something ?
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Peter S, nope, you haven't missed anything. BUT... carving is probably the most efficient way to turn modern shaped skis when on piste.
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Peter S, absolutely. A couple of weeks ago in St Anton, almost exclusively off piste, there was probably only about 200m in the entire week where carved turns were appropriate. Carving is a good tool if you want to keep going as fast as possible when changing direction (i.e. in a race, or being one of those totally mental Red Bull types) ..... and that's about it.
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If "skidding" seems too much of a dirty word, try "scraping" instead. A much more acceptable term in the modern era.
Never admit to skidding, just say you're using a scraping technique to control your speed.
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uktrailmonster, or go for the new one which is "Brushing" - there's a certain instructor who has come up with a new type of turn called the "brushed carve". It's nothing like a skidded/scraped carve, cause those are just plain WRONG. (according to him)
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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I personally see "carving" as more a matter of using the ski to do the work - using the design and sidecut etc, rather than manhandling the ski around. this can be done with all variations of degree of edge and carve, but I don't see it as black and white as many peeps seem to.
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Hallelujah, Amen to that.
And please, for those that are HH bashing, stop. He has done a lot for the industry, and the standard of skiing in general (and his wallet too, but credit to him).
He is still right when he says that the first move should not be a rotary one.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Peter S wrote: |
| I don't really understand why carving is the be all and end all of skiing. Whats wrong with skidding, side slipping, weddling, jet turns and jump turns, particulary if they are done elegantly ? Surely they add depth and variety to the sport ? |
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He is still right when he says that the first move should not be a rotary one. |
Charleston. 
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Poster: A snowHead
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Old-School,
Haven't really read thorough all thread as I've been away...but a few observations...IMV. From my eyes, the new school position is pretty ugly but effective...so I'd think that some of the old style being brought across to newer skiing thinking is a plus. The new school instructors that have a great position on skis...steal that from their old days, I'd reckon. It still takes a long time to really get it under your belt but the new skis do get you very effective in a shorter time. This is evident when you see newer FAT skiers 'coping' off piste.
The other thing that I think is also evident is that the newer technique does not promote too much input into the skis, they just ride it...the plus being that this is very economical, the minor downer is probably that the skiers doesn't really work the ski...and that will always be about time on skis, IMO.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Wear The Fox Hat, FastMan Thanks to Bud, I now like lifting both skis during the transition ...
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lbt,,, something you were working on at ESA? Tell us about it.
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lbt, was this on the way down Trestle towards the Big Burn lift? 
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It was
Basically, aiming to transition as you go over a roll/lip.
Just continue to ski normally and you move from one set of edges to the other in the air as you go over the lip.
[to be clear, I didn't actually lift my skis, but you can extend just before the rise to either get some air or get very light]
It's a really nice feeling
We were working on releasing the old edge, flattening and engaging the new edge at the very top of the turn. |
Yeah, lbt, those are fun to do. Great for many skill areas; fore/aft balance, lateral balance, making quick transitions/edge changes.
I also teach a similar drill designed to work on rotational management skills. Do a power extension at the end of the turn,,, leave the snow,,, rotate pelvis and torso uphill,,,, land countered and on downhill edges,,, right into a new carved turn.
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