 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I don't wish to labelled as being too pro-Sandy here but what has bansko, done that is different?
A couple of posts, all of which are incredibly pro Bansko to the point of spammy.
Got a link in the signiture to a commercial webpage.
The author is even an HTML specialist/professional too.
I only see double standards here...sorry to be blunt.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I agree rungsp.
It depends on whether one of the mods has come across it or if anyone has reported it.
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A couple of posts, all of which are incredibly pro Bansko to the point of spammy.
Got a link in the signiture to a commercial webpage. |
I posted a very neutral link to The Observer article. It was NOT biased at all. It pointed out good and bad. That's all.
My website is not a commercial website - It is a personal website that I built for my apartment.
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| The author is even an HTML specialist/professional too. |
Thank you for my promotion. I build websites for a hobby. Not a specialist or professional.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I think there is a difference - to me at any rate! But then I didn't really have a problem with sandy either! Her/his threads didn't get any responses (apart from THAT thread) and it soon dies.....
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I don't know Sandy but to be honest this thread has had quite a few comments said about Bansko, good and bad and I thought that was what a forum was all about, peoples opinions.
Last edited by You'll need to Register first of course. on Tue 24-10-06 12:38; edited 1 time in total
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What I do object to is in every request for an opinion on where to go, certain posters pop up: "I know you said you wanted to go to beginner's resort in France, but how about St Anton" type thing (and not directed at anyone who owns in St Anton, I just picked that out of air as a resort not particularly suitable for beginners - and not in France).
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He hasn't overtly pushed his apartment on anybody. We can choose to access his website link or not. Its prompted an interesting debate. I confess to liking Val d'sere. There's great skiing there (can't say as we really hit the apres ski in a big way).
Bansko - I don't think is an aspiring Val D'sere. Its niche seems to me for the moments is a cheap and affordable place for newcomers to the sport as was Andorra. If it expands great for the owners. As an investment, I'd be aware. ~Almost every small resort that's not mainstream seems to have a promise of an expanding ski area. I even saw a such a suggestion for La Rosiere on the MGM website.
If you're buying because you want somewhere cheap in the mountains that you want to enjoy  -good luck and enjoy
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I see no other difference than a rude e-mail to a moderator and starting a thread to complain about posts being deleted.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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geetee, to me, Sandy came across as not being totally honest about her intentions. Her first post was her own promotion of the resort (and not totally factually accurate) and then subsequent posts asking about people's opinions of when they book holidays etc. Plus the website didn't seem right. Bansko seems more honest, has linked to a published article on a resort where he has an apartment (and it is clearly his own website for his appartment PS I don't like the things that follow your cursor around - seriously annoying!) - and there has been discussion of the resort, not all good! Bansko has responded to people's posts nicely.
But admin may well decide different!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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cathy, the previous debate also highlighted the issue of whether someone can register and immediately promote their own property. In this respect, Bansko and Sandy are no different although their behaviour has, thus far, been different.
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I would rather eat poo then go to Bulgaria to snowboard. Sorry very jeuvanile i know 
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You know it makes sense.
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Hi there.
I never registered and promoted my own property. I joined and posted an article about Bansko written by The Observer.
As mentioned I didn't know Sandy but as bh1 has just said our behaviour on the forum is different, again I cannot comment.
To be perfectly honest as dan100 said, it has prompted an interesting debate on Bansko.
Can we stop the debate on Sandy as it spoils this thread somewhat and if anyone has anything to say about Bansko (good or bad) then post it here. That was what the thread was about, let's not forget that.
You are obviously a great asset to this forum london1977 with comments like that. Well done.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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bh1, yes that's kind of what I meant. I think that this post has been more subtle in its advertising than others. It's not a 'Hi everyone! I have an apartment in Bansko. Come and stay here' post. Bansko (the resort) is being reviewed and there's a handy link to an accommodation website. However, isn't it still advertising?
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I don't like the things that follow your cursor around - seriously annoying!
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Yes - I wasn't too keen on that either.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have mixed comments about the cursor balls. I may take them off !! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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bansko,
The point that some are making is that you've recently joined and are promoting - through the inclusion of a link in your signature - your property without presumably (a) the express permission of the site owner, and (b) without some measure of gratitude for being able to post your link on one of the most popular skiing websites in the UK.
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bh1, yes that's kind of what I meant. I think that this post has been more subtle in its advertising than others. It's not a 'Hi everyone! I have an apartment in Bansko. Come and stay here' post. Bansko (the resort) is being reviewed and there's a handy link to an accommodation website. However, isn't it still advertising?
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A cynic might say that lessons have been learnt and a different approach adopted.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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bh1, hmmmmm 
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Look, I posted an unbiased article on Bansko written by The Observer. The rest was prompted by the members of the forum. That is all. I wanted to see what people thought of the article.
I recently joined simply because I have only recently found the site. We all have to join sometime.
Can I thank the forum and it's members for having this debate this morning.
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This is what the BBC website says about Tamworth Snowdome:
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Real snow all year round! Tamworth Snowdome is the best place to go if you want a taste of what it's like to ski on the real snow... almost! The speed and the ease of movement is there but sometimes snow coverage is not very deep, which allows for some truly hairy moments when you hit an icy patch.
That said, the curving main slope is 170 metres of pure fun, and if you're into skiing, snowmobiling, tobogganing, snowblading and snowboarding (phew!), then this is much closer to the real thing than dry ski slopes.
If you can't do the difficult stuff, then there are other things to enjoy in the evenings - including adrenaline tubing (this consists of holding on to a huge rubber inner tube and flying down the slope).
There are also 'Learn to Ski in a Day' courses, which teaches people recreational skiing. Plus there are also lessons aimed at improving your technique too.
Kit hire is included in the price; and there is a bar & restaurant in the style of a Swiss Alpine chalet. Nice.Real snow all year round! Tamworth Snowdome is the best place to go if you want a taste of what it's like to ski on the real snow... almost! The speed and the ease of movement is there but sometimes snow coverage is not very deep, which allows for some truly hairy moments when you hit an icy patch.
That said, the curving main slope is 170 metres of pure fun, and if you're into skiing, snowmobiling, tobogganing, snowblading and snowboarding (phew!), then this is much closer to the real thing than dry ski slopes.
If you can't do the difficult stuff, then there are other things to enjoy in the evenings - including adrenaline tubing (this consists of holding on to a huge rubber inner tube and flying down the slope).
There are also 'Learn to Ski in a Day' courses, which teaches people recreational skiing. Plus there are also lessons aimed at improving your technique too.
Kit hire is included in the price; and there is a bar & restaurant in the style of a Swiss Alpine chalet. Nice. |
www.chalet-in-tamworth-for-rent-if-you-like-discount-for-snowheads.co.uk 
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I express no opinion on sig advertising but to suggest that just because an article is in a newspaper means its unbiased is laughable. How many articles in travel sections or ski magazines do you see that really slag a place off? Journalists, with the exception of the Independent IIRC travel on complimentary trips provided by tour ops etc. Now they might have their own professional standards but I would always take things witha pinch of salt. Property sections in particular seem to have a lazy habit of regurgitating developer's press releases almost word for word.
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CEM had good advice in that thread:
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as i see it there are a few unwritten rules, no doubt i will be corrected
1 come in slowly, make informative posts about sujects other than your place to rent, what do you know anout ski legth or a good jacket that someone else might like to know about.
2 don't talk about your business, talk about accomodation but let others talk about your business
3 if you need more clarity contact Admin about how he would like you to position the whole thing, donation discount etc etc I do know this is something that is in discussion as Helen says but i would think it will be resolved soon
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Easy there Bansko, i was only applying a little light releif
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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On more serious note what has the snow been like in Bulgaria, In my unfounded opinion I have all ways imanged somewhere like Bulgaria lacking in serious snowfalls. I did entertain the idea of getting a placeout there but the apparant lack of terrain and the language etc just put me right off. I think I just like france too much.
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On more serious note what has the snow been like in Bulgaria, In my unfounded opinion I have all ways imanged somewhere like Bulgaria lacking in serious snowfalls. I did entertain the idea of getting a placeout there but the apparant lack of terrain and the language etc just put me right off. I think I just like france too much.
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You know it makes sense.
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fatbob - I know what you are saying and agree but if you read the article you will see why I say unbiased. It says good and bad points.
Cathy - Thanks for the link
London1977 - I know - I just didn't what that picture in my head thanks !! 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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bansko, your first posts weren't to the Observer's article, though, were they?
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brian
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Are we not getting a bit carried away with the spaminating here ?
It's pretty obvious the thread is an article about Bansko and that bansko has an interest there and no hidden agenda. The article gives pros and cons and has prompted a discussion about Bansko and Bulgarian skiing and property in general.
Picking a random pimp, would ben wright have stuck around for 1000+ posts if he'd got the same kind of welcome following this opener ?
http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?p=44873&highlight=#44873
I agree with cathy that the likes of "where would be a good self catering appt in a resort with tons of extreme skiing" followed up with "can we tempt you to our catered chalet in La Ros" can get a bit tiresome but the way things are heading anyone with in-depth knowledge of a resort and commercial interest is going to be hounded off here in no time.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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bansko, I deleted them because, IMO, they were spam. The link between the post and your signature suggested that.
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I have just said that I put an opinion about Bansko on the forum and your right my signature had a link in it, the same as now.
I also said they got deleted.
I didn't say check out my apartment nor did I say anything along the sort.
It was two sentences that said it was a cheaper alternative and it has new facilities.
That's all. If you thought it was spamming that's fine. I haven't done it since.
My next post was an article from The Observer.
It's your call whether this is ok. I am easy either way.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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bansko - you join the forum in the middle of a difficult conversation...
My agreement with rungsp is based on you and Sandy doing essentially the same things to promote your properties. Personally, I don't think that either is so bad - it's just the consistency of standards. The thing is, though, is that we often don't know the full history if the mods or admin have already decided to take action.
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bansko, why don't you post without your sig and contact admin in the meantime to come to a resolution that supports the site in return for the exposure you'll receive?
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Phillip, all I wanted was some opinions on Bansko from people that go skiing. I didn't know it was this tough to get them.
What ever has gone on before I have no comment on.
As I have just said to hyweljenkins is that he/she either deletes this thread or doesn't. Let's not mess around here.
I thank you all for your comments about Bansko, that is all I wanted.
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bh1 - After this thread I have no more to add. So I will just look back at the forum from time to time.
No resolution needed as I don't think I will be posting on other subjects. To be honest I don't know enough to do such a thing.
I would like to add, not to you personally bh1, if this is the treatment that new members get after posting a newspaper article, why would people want to be part of this forum?
Just a question 
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Here's the thing:
I don't really think bansko, has done anything very wrong. A tad cheeky to have only posted on the place that he has a commercial interest in promoting, but no big deal in my opinion.
I have exactly the same view on Sandy (reserving judgement on a reportedly rude PM to Helen, if as rude as she says then slapped wrists as a minimum!).
There might well be people wanting to go to Bansko (wierd, but possible) or to wherever it was in Canada.
Why not let them have access to properties/information that come direct from the guy/gal on the spot?
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brian
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rungsp, I got the impression the rude PM was from another Serre Che person rather than Sandy but I might be barking up the wrong tree entirely
btw, totally agree with your point. Although I suppose I do have a vested interest but then again, I don't think I have a track record of recommending the Val d'A unless I thought it was particularly suitable.
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